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Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

ThePhysicist wrote: post #85

That's essentially the concept of many cities in Europe. I live in Berlin for example and I have almost everything I need within 10 minutes of walking or 5 minutes of cycling: Supermarkets, pharmacies, doctors, restaurants, electronics stores, schools, kindergardens, ... The downside is that you tend to become used to your small microcosm ("Kiez" we call it) and rarely leave it. I can't recall for example when I went…

Aren't they working on that with the goal of being ready around 2030? Like described here

https://www.societedugrandparis.fr/gpe/carte

Looked at that with envy when i first saw that, being stuck with an only half ready rail transit system in my town since the 70ies. But hey, supposedly i'll get an extension about 2032 too! Juhuu!

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by wozniacki »

yardie wrote: post #116
peignoir wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 The elections are coming soon and the current mayor is just doubling down on promesses (while Paris is great on paper the past couple of years did feel like chaos from my point of view)

I feel the last few years of chaos has less to do with the mayor and more to do with the national legislation. The mayor is not negotiating pensions and fuel taxes. Which is where most of these protests are about. It can both be true that Paris is a well run city with a president who invites protest every week.

A lot of things Paris is but a "well run city" may not be one of them, just like SF is many things but a well run city. SF gets its share of attention on HN. Time other cities do too. Even if you discount all of the following ( including from France's own national broadcaster - France 24 ) as biased news, we can agree on one thing - there's a lot of strife in the streets of Paris, hidden from plain view.

From 3 months ago:

Paris migrant camps cleared — again — in immigration crackdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttf5j5SVrFs

Thousands of asylum seekers waiting in streets, makeshift camps around Paris

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2htRQwzI5jY

Paris authorities clear large migrant camps on edge of city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5PegltCkmw

From an year ago:

Migrants moved to wealthy Paris neighbourhood, what do locals think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59lEtxjFK5A

From nearly 4 years ago:

Mass Immigration Ruins The Streets Of France

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqopPs5Tp-I

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Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by dghf »

uinerkrj wrote: post #117

Cities are terrible places to live. To prove my point, can you walk to a natural area (beach, forest, mountain, etc) within 15 minutes? Of course not, other than maybe a tiny manicured park full of people. That "green area" pictured in the diagram will be the only green area, it will be a flat park of some sort, and it will be your only choice of place to visit. It will be more like a museum for trees than any kind o…

> To prove my point, can you walk to a natural area (beach, forest, mountain, etc) within 15 minutes?

Edinburgh has, less than a mile from its centre, Holyrood Park [0], 650 acres of wild highland landscape, including gorse, glens, ridges, hills, cliffs, two natural springs, three lochs, and an 800-foot high extinct volcano.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holyrood_Park

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by toohotatopic »

eschutte2 wrote: post #49
toohotatopic wrote: post #13

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At 1% interests rate, that's e12.000 a year, e1000 a month. Not bad.

Check that math

I did. Could you explain where I am wrong? The apartment is that expensive because people can finance it. It's stupid, because an apartment is not magically worth more because people can finance more. Unfortunately that doesn't matter to people who need a place to live.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by wozniacki »

hk__2 wrote: post #113
lizknope wrote: post #106

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While there is nothing illogical about it there is more to a city than just the people who live in it. Millions of people live in a suburb and commute to work in a larger city. Their employer pays taxes in that city. The employees eat lunch in that city. The city may be a tourist destination (Paris certainly is)

Of course, and improving the lives of those people is important but should never be detrimental to the Parisians themselves. For example, tourism means lots of Airbnb’d flats that are thus taken away from the people who could live there, and higher rents for those who can.

Your comment seems highly tone-deaf. Look at some of the comments above about pollution and what it has done to areas immediately outside of the city core.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

hobofan wrote: post #114
__Joker wrote: post #100

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I think most of the world lives pretty close except the US. But problem in rest of the world is not that you can't have schools, clinics, entertainment, shopping in a 15 minutes radius but the problem is finding the desired combination when you throw in you and your spouse workplace and the school to which you want to send to your children to.

> the school to which you want to send to your children to That doesn't seem to be something that most people spend a lot of thought on. E.g. in Germany less than 10% of children attend a private school, and with public schools you basically have to send them to your closest one (which isn't a big problem, as the quality of schools inside a city generally doesn't vary too much).

I thought he meant having them to drive there and back, where at least where i am in .de the kids just walk, or take the bus by themselves. Not even necessarily school buses, just public ones.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by jackjeff »

antpls wrote: post #73
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #71

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The point of democracy and electing mayors is to empower people to change their destiny. The chart shows that there population of the larger Paris area is increasing, as you yourself confirm: > the region is expanding like any other capital's region in the world Why are new people coming there though? Are they coming to tie their lives to the City of Paris, but they must settle for the larger region because of the sa…

It's only my own opinion, but I believe there is too much centralization of national, international and diplomatic institutions inside the City of Paris. I am _for_ more decentralization of businesses and powers across the Region of Paris and across other cities of France. House pricing clearly shows that the City of Paris is a gravity center in terms of everything, which leads to many of the current traffic and poll…

Or Toulouse ranked 4. That may force the government to invest for some infrastructure. I don’t think we’ll ever a TGV there.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by hrktb »

carlob wrote: post #34

> In Paris, this isn’t necessarily such a tall order. The mayor oversees only the 2.2 million residents of the city’s heavily populated historic core, which already enjoys some of the use-mixing that the 15-minute-city concept encourages, thanks to its pre-industrial roots. This is the main problem of Paris and of Hidalgo. For most practical purposes Paris is a 10 million inhabitants city, yet only 2 get to vote for…

> while commuters from other counties had to add some time to their commute and were furious.

Commuting by car to Paris is mostly for near counties (with real estate prices not that far from Paris. Puteaux or Boulogne people are in average well set) or people living very far but are paid enough to spend an hour and half in their car.

The general population takes buses and trains to commute, as parking in Paris is also a PITA. I was mildly amused to hear that our company in the middle of Paris only provides underground parking places to high level managers, and I can’t imagine renting a parking place somewhere else is any cheap.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by jackjeff »

tomatotomato37 wrote: post #107
antpls wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article : "In her re-election campaign, Mayor Anne Hidalgo says that every Paris resident should be able to meet their essential needs within a short walk or bike ride." "Paris" is defined as Paris intra-muros + the Boulogne and Vincenne parks, which are limited in space and was saturated long time ago. You are a "Paris resident" if you live inside of the City of Paris (the green line of the plot). The chart…

I have no horse in this argument either way, but it's interesting how this train of thought regarding sovereignty of city vs county contrasts with the current debate between the voting politics of the direct city of San Francisco and it's greater metropolitan area, especially in regard to zoning policies.

Yes. But it’s the same problem on steroids. Paris is really really small. About 6x smaller than SF.
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