MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019) • Hacker News Board

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by TheTon » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:47 PM UTC

treyfitty wrote: post #108

To be fair, I run 2 4K monitors at 60hz and I don’t hear my fans doing normal work (Excel, Firefox, PyCharm, Jupiter Labs). I use a DisplayLink hub (idk if that matters, but I’ve heard DisplayLink is driven by CPU) However, when I watch a 1080p movie, no matter what player, on just the laptop display, the mouse cursor feels sluggish and my fans are on 50-75% at all times.

It sounds like something is forcing the window manager to composite your cursor rather than leaving it as a hardware overlay. That’s the usual cause of sluggish feeling cursor. Now, as to what’s doing that, it could be AirPlay mirroring or perhaps some screen capture/sharing software, or maybe it is related to your displays.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by 333c » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:47 PM UTC

sgt101 wrote: post #71

I got one, heard the fan, felt the heat. Switched on "Automatic Graphics Switching" in the power saver options and as I type it's on my lap as quiet as a mouse and as cool as a cucumber.

For me (and at least one other commenter in this thread), the issue occurs when plugged into an external monitor. The linked thread seems to indicate the same. Any thoughts on that? I'll check the relevant setting.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by blackearl » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:48 PM UTC

trollied wrote: post #17

jonplackett wrote: post #3

I really hope they haven't finally replaced the 'revolutionary' keyboard only to throw in a 'revolutionary' new fan system...

I was taking the whole Apple MBP keyboard thing with a pinch of salt, but the keyboard on mine has been degrading significantly over the last few weeks & I'm going to have to take it in for repair. Grr.

Best to keep that pinch of salt away from the keyboard unless you want it to become unusable.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by WanderPanda » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:48 PM UTC

treyfitty wrote: post #108

To be fair, I run 2 4K monitors at 60hz and I don’t hear my fans doing normal work (Excel, Firefox, PyCharm, Jupiter Labs). I use a DisplayLink hub (idk if that matters, but I’ve heard DisplayLink is driven by CPU) However, when I watch a 1080p movie, no matter what player, on just the laptop display, the mouse cursor feels sluggish and my fans are on 50-75% at all times.

gotta love dem new codecs

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by naeemtee » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:49 PM UTC

luxuryballs wrote: post #89

thijsvandien wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim Cook is (to an extent?) an engineer. He has a Bachelor of Science in Industrial Engineering as well as a Master of Business Administration.

That doesn’t make you an engineer though that just makes you a graduate.

So a rigorous 4 year degree in a highly technical engineering stream doesn’t make him an engineer, but the script kiddie high school dropout making crypto apps is?

Give me a break. Tim Cook is more engineer than 90% of people who call themselves one.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by sebular » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:49 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #14

What can I say as a person somewhat close to electronics engineering: Look at that single skinny heat pipe, it will get saturated very fast. Second to that, look at those tiny radiators, they are clearly not capable to discharge the full heat flux. I simply don't see any signs of proper thermal engineering there. Apple says "we are listening now, and here is a new cooling design," then it comes out to be even less ad…

Summoning all of your experience as "a person somewhat close to electronics engineering", you deliver this gem:

> I simply don't see any signs of proper thermal engineering here.

I hope you're joking. If not, you have a nauseating level of conceit.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by gambiting » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:50 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #53

desdiv wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a similar trick: I try to find a laptop that comes in both discrete-GPU and integrated-GPU configurations, and both version must share the identical chassis. This way, when I buy the integrated version, I know the chassis has been designed with the heavier airflow of the discrete-GPU version in mind. If I'm lucky, my integrated-GPU config might even use the identical size heat-sinks as the discrete-GPU version.

That's interesting. Any model you can recommend?

Not OP, but from experience I know the Razer Blade Stealth 13 has the same cooling for both integrated GPU and dedicated gpu versions - and it's a very beefy cooling system as is, even with the dedicated gpu the system can stay at full load indefinitely without any issues.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by ksec » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:53 PM UTC

cdmckay wrote: post #119

marriedWpt wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given Apple's less than ethical history, I'm not sure it's reasonable to give them benefit of doubt. They might have an excuse that fans can believe, but the real reason is to suppress bad press.

What less than ethical history are you referring to? Have they deleted posts before?

>Have they deleted posts before?

Yes, and sort of the reason why most people discuss these sort of issues in other forum to gain support and evidence before posting it in the Official Forum.

Negative Post there, whether they are Hardware or Software are regularly deleted.

And I thought it was quite well known.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by mns » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:54 PM UTC

Naomarik wrote: post #55

Been using Mac primarily since 2011 and sad to see everything keep declining with Apple's software and hardware quality. When programming an app and its backend with react native/clojure my 2015 Mac Pro gets way too hot and slow. Just built a Ryzen 3600 desktop with 32 gigs of RAM for about 1/4th the price as the cheapest 16 inch Macbook. Windows with WSL2 has been extremely good and I'm satisfied with my development…

I think you are underestimating the cost of your setup. There is no way in my opinion that you can build a decent PC with 1/4 price of a MacBook Pro. European prices might be higher, 2699 official price for base 16" (you can actually get it for 2399 from official resellers). But still 675 Eu for a proper setup is impossible. Just the CPU and RAM will cost you a bit over 300. I know you are just making a point, but it is a false statement that people constantly make when discussing prices of Apple hardware and this thing is getting quite annoying. Yes, they are more expensive, but when you look at the exact components, specs, you will find that Dell or Lenovo could be only around 10 to 20% cheaper in best case scenario.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by rubidium » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 3:00 PM UTC

gwbas1c wrote: post #110

One thing I miss about Steve Jobs is that he hated fan noise. The fact that Macs only made noise under extreme load was something that I really appreciated. I'm at a loss for what I'm going to do for my next laptop. Windows 10 still has performance issues that Macs don't have, but Windows laptops clearly have better hardware. Anyone make the switch back to Windows? (Every time I try Linux it feels like a dumpster fir…

Switched to a Surface and it's great (except the touchscreen is useless). Use a remote desktop + homebuilt tower when I need more performance (computational simulations). Use onedrive to sync everything between them.

It's not perfect, but it does just work.