Why “Move Fast and Break Things” Doesn’t Work Anymore • Hacker News Board

Re: Why “Move Fast and Break Things” Doesn’t Work Anymore

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Post by bumby » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 2:45 PM UTC

salawat wrote: post #85

jevgeni wrote: post #73

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While I agree with your point, I don't agree with the idea, that the engineers there are some Dickensian exploited workers struggling to feed their starving family. Those are white collar middle class employees mostly.

How many other Aerospace companies are out hiring right now? The answer? Not many. The industry is highly consolidated at this point. So the competition that normally ensures workers can vote with their feet isn't there. So... Yeah. When you're already hired by the biggest actor in town, the ethical calculus changes whether you want to admit it or not.

How many would you consider a reasonable amount for competition? There's 15 showing up on a cursory Indeed search, not to mention civil service entities that hire AEs

Re: Why “Move Fast and Break Things” Doesn’t Work Anymore

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Post by bumby » Mon, Jan 06, 2020, 2:48 PM UTC

salawat wrote: post #89

CSSer wrote: post #74

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Ethical decisions have consequences that include blame. Engineers are well-paid, highly sought after individuals. As long as they manage their finances responsibly, walking away from a job should not be as dire as you make it sound.

Well I can only speak from the point of being the bread winner for my household which the last few years has been getting hit hard by medical crisis after medical crisis, and despite every effort at cost cutting and saving, what cushion I've built up slowly gets consumed. And I'm in software. The Aerospace folks don't enjoy the luxury of the exaggerated salary, last I checked. So maybe there's some bias there. Howeve…

Aerospace engineers trend higher than most software engineer salaries.[1][2][3][4]

I don't know if you work in SV, but that may skew your perception on salary.

[1] https://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/17-2011.00

[2] https://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/15-1133.00

[3] https://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/15-1132.00

[4] https://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/15-1131.00

Re: Why “Move Fast and Break Things” Doesn’t Work Anymore

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Post by ori_b » Tue, Jan 07, 2020, 2:40 PM UTC

asveikau wrote: post #118

ori_b wrote: post #115

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You may disagree, but where are you getting the resources to push your position?

I think my position is already a majority one. Go out in the street and ask people if money is the most important thing in life.

Now, go find one of those people that isn't a willing revenue stream for surveillance capitalism.

Re: Why “Move Fast and Break Things” Doesn’t Work Anymore

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Post by MikeTheGreat » Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 9:58 PM UTC

jsjohnst wrote: post #98

MikeTheGreat wrote: post #83

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Speaking of that bias, I just read this: https://qz.com/1776080/how-the-mcdonnell-douglas-boeing-merg... (Sorry about the 'amp' link)

All you need to do is remove ‘/amp’ from the end.

Thanks for the tip! I'll definitely do that in the future!