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A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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You forget to say these kids didn’t magically lend in jail. They were brought there by their parents that purposely broke immigration laws. They possibly even did it with the idea of appealing to emotion of US citizens to get away with it.

This country was literally founded as a refuge for asylum-seekers.

That's not even remotely true.

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#122

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You can’t let them get away that easily. Jefferson and Washington could have freed their own slaves at any time but chose not to.

Sigh. Washington did free his slaves. Virginia blocked Jefferson from doing so.

https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/washin...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery

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#123

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You can’t let them get away that easily. Jefferson and Washington could have freed their own slaves at any time but chose not to.

Sigh. Washington did free his slaves. Virginia blocked Jefferson from doing so.

Washington freed them only after his death and from what I know that didn’t work that well either so a lot of them remained slaves. In what way did Virginia force Jefferson to keep slaves?

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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There's a really good museum that includes info from this period in Montgomery, Alabama. I'd definitely recommend visiting if this is something you're interested in. I wouldn't bring small children since there is a tonne of text and some, entirely optional, graphic imagery.

https://museumandmemorial.eji.org/

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#125

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That’s not a dichotomy. It’s not an exhaustive list.

Exactly. It's presented as an exhaustive list, making it a false dichotomy: "A situation in which two alternative points of view are presented as the only options, when others are available." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy

In idiomatic English, "or" can imply a dichotomy as you suggest or an incomplete list, which was my intention. I wasn't thinking about the ambiguity when I wrote it, so that's my fault.

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Do you grant creationists good faith? How about anti-vaxers? Flat earthers? People have been using free speech absolutism over the last couple of years to popularize poisonous ideas. Should we keep letting that happen? EDIT: Maybe they have an opinion, but frankly that lot don't spin this as an opinion. It's barbarism. It's murder. It's evil. Don't act like their isn't a larger context to all of this.

I just think full term fetuses deserve at least as much legal protection as a pet dog. It's pretty awful to kill a pet when animal shelters are a thing. I understand the desire to group that opinion along with PizzaGate or some other toxic nonsense. That's exactly the sort of cognitive dissonance I'm talking about. I am actually sympathetic to and support single mothers in all sorts of ways, not that people should ha…

According to the Humane Society 2.4 million healthy cats and dogs are euthanized each year in US animal shelters:

https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/pets-numbers

It's very sad but legal.

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I want to keep this civil and perhaps learn something, but what is the specific objection with respect to complaints of detention? Do folks just want better detention conditions or are we advocating for giving citizenship to everyone who wants it? EDIT: Why the downvotes? I'm asking a genuine question. How did I manage to offend?

Don't be coy. Your question comes with the framing you choose for it; people would rather you be more forthright about it.

I'm not being coy, I don't know what the specific concerns are. I've been quite explicit about this.

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Don't be coy. Your question comes with the framing you choose for it; people would rather you be more forthright about it.

I'm not being coy, I don't know what the specific concerns are. I've been quite explicit about this.

Which means that you're taking as the neutral stance to not have a concern with arbitrary detention of asylum seekers. You have implicitly taken a position on who has the burden of justifying themselves. Do you see how people can take issue with that since it violates international law concerning the rights of asylum seekers?
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