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Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by aazaa »

The article links to the original source:

https://freedomonthemove.org

Scrolling down, one sees an ad from none other than Thomas Jefferson:

> In Alberale, a Mulatto slave called Sandy, about 35 years of age, his stature is rather low, including to corpulence, and his complexion light; he is a shoemaker by trade, in which he uses his left hand principally, and is something of a horse jockey; ... Whoever conveys the said slave to me, in Albermarle, shall have 40 s. reward ...

One of the histories of the US that I read mentioned the ridicule that the British heaped on the Americans for their hypocrisy, a copy of the Declaration of Independence in one hand and a whip in the other.

It's striking to consider the self-delusion that must have been necessary for people at the time to believe in such wildly inconsistent notions as "inalienable rights" and slavery.

On the other hand, culture is a powerful reality distortion field. Scratch just a little below the surface and you'll find the most bizarre creatures scuttling for cover.

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by ABeeSea »

tasogare wrote: post #79
ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

You forget to say these kids didn’t magically lend in jail. They were brought there by their parents that purposely broke immigration laws. They possibly even did it with the idea of appealing to emotion of US citizens to get away with it.

Applying for asylum at the border isn’t illegal.

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by pessimizer »

wholepointofcc wrote: post #73
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Just walk south. Don't walk north. Walk south. It's that simple. Mexico is a civilized democracy with public safety problems, you people talking as if it was North Korea...

Immigrants applying for refuge at the southern border are generally coming through Mexico, not from it. Mexicans are (not quite as) xenophobic towards them, too.

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by zepto »

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #28
kmm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always say it as something quite benign: a state-sponsored daycare. Where else would we put our kids if not for school?

The same place before widespread public schools: fields and factories.

Why would we do that when we can use machines?

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by Ididntdothis »

aazaa wrote: post #81

The article links to the original source: https://freedomonthemove.org Scrolling down, one sees an ad from none other than Thomas Jefferson: > In Alberale, a Mulatto slave called Sandy, about 35 years of age, his stature is rather low, including to corpulence, and his complexion light; he is a shoemaker by trade, in which he uses his left hand principally, and is something of a horse jockey; ... Whoever conveys the s…

Jefferson’s and Washington’s psychology was certainly very interesting as far as their attitudes towards freedom and slavery went. I wonder how they justified to themselves having slaves while talking about freedom and liberty.

But we do the same today. A lot of us have pretty unsustainable lifestyles as far as the environment goes but we make ourselves feel good (or even superior to others) by adding a little bit of organic food and organic clothing. The hypocrisy gets even more exaggerated when stars promote climate change awareness while flying private jets all over the world and living in 20000 square foot houses.

The interesting thing is that a lot of famous hypocrites still do good. Maybe not with their own lifestyle but by other people being motivated to do better

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by aphextim »

praptak wrote: post #3

Makes one reflect on how much do we take for granted when it comes to ethics. I remember a (googleable) exchange of letters between the former owner and an ex-slave. The former was genuinely hurt by slave's betrayal and urged them to go back. There were people for whom owning other people was so normalized that they were actually angry at their former slaves. I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as…

>I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric.

Circumcision aka male genital mutilation is the first thing that comes to mind.

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by danharaj »

jtx22 wrote: post #68
jordanpg wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that we put other humans in cages for any reason is probably unforgivable on a long enough timeline, especially for non-violent crimes.

Protecting the sovereignty of your country will be paramount in the future. Future generations will look back at this borderless craze.. as truly insane.

Strict immigration control is a relatively modern phenomenon, and you should reevaluate your viewpoint if you find it so easy to justify putting children in cages. Scratch that, justify other people putting children in cages. Most people who support these policies wouldn't have the stomach to do the dirty work themselves.

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by GrumpyNl »

UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #64
wholepointofcc wrote: post #57

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Here's a list of countries Mexicans (just an example, I know there are people from elsewhere coming in thru y'alls southern border) don't need Visas to enter: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Visa_req... It literally includes all other countries in the American continent except for Guyana. Immigrate to these countries instead. Thank me later. Why would someone illegally immigrate to the USA in this…

>Why would someone illegally immigrate to the USA in this day and age is beyond my comprehension. Specifically to respond to this misconception: ALL of the people from "the caravan", ALL of the parents of the 70,000 children that were locked up and taken away FOLLOWED THE LAW and DID EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TOLD THEM TO DO. They were seeking asylum and political refuge. They followed our law to receive protection/shelte…

Ah, the Trump card.

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by danharaj »

weberc2 wrote: post #78
ceautery wrote: post #12

> I wonder if any of our current practices will be viewed as barbaric. The US jailed 70,000 migrant children this year. I doubt history will smile on that.

I want to keep this civil and perhaps learn something, but what is the specific objection with respect to complaints of detention? Do folks just want better detention conditions or are we advocating for giving citizenship to everyone who wants it? EDIT: Why the downvotes? I'm asking a genuine question. How did I manage to offend?

Don't be coy. Your question comes with the framing you choose for it; people would rather you be more forthright about it.

Re: A Database of Fugitive Slave Ads Reveals Thousands of Untold Stories (2018)

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Post by Gunax »

youdontknowtho wrote: post #70
Consultant32452 wrote: post #58

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Students are not free to leave and will literally be thrown in a cage for truancy if they do. They don't choose the curriculum, don't get to choose who they work with, and are frequently submitted to dehumanizing treatment like having to ask permission to use the restroom. What more could you ask for in a prison?

I bet you also think taxation is theft and Ayn Rand is a great author. I hope you never see a real prison. I'm serious about this. They are horrifying.

Sure, just like I hope you never see a real slave. I am serious about this. It's horrifying.

By the way, what do you call a well-treated slave?

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