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We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
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Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
#122I am highly skeptical of what this piece is claiming. I doubt it will be as radical as what industrialization did to agriculture a 100 years ago.
I also doubt that it will be 5 times cheaper for the consumer. When you include all the costs, not just productions, but government incentives and environmental costs for examples, one might claim that it will be socially cheaper, eventually... One can hope. It will also be easier to transport the system to another planet.
But, this is very speculative, and the 5-10 years milestone is very very optimistic and probably takes into account some fairy magic dust here and there.
Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
#123I guess we'll never learn from things like margarine and other lab invented foods. Beyond Meat is heavily dependent on seed oils which are terrible for us (expeller pressed canola oil is ingredient #2). Red Meat actually isn't unhealthy at the levels most people currently eat it. While it wouldn't surprise me if more people ate Beyond meat and its ilk in the future, it doesn't make it better for us and will likely ju…
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Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Beyond Meat has never claimed to be a healthier alternative to meat and it's a bit of a straw man to comment like they did. Not sure why you'd think that's a straw man when they explicitly state it on their website. First sentence on their Products page: "Imagine your favorite meaty dishes like burgers and tacos delivering the juicy, delicious taste you know and love, while being better for you and the planet." [0]…
Marketing speak is almost always going to be dubiously credible. It definitely can be made more healthy than red meat in future revisions of the recipe. But it’s undoubtedly better for the planet than to be “raising” and killing cattle for red meat. You don’t need 660 gallons of water to make plants for 1 pound of beyond burger like you do for one pound ground chuck.
Well, and, technically, if the world can survive longer and have better water, because of a shift in how we make food, then yes, it's healthier for you too - even if you don't eat it!
Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
#125I guess we'll never learn from things like margarine and other lab invented foods. Beyond Meat is heavily dependent on seed oils which are terrible for us (expeller pressed canola oil is ingredient #2). Red Meat actually isn't unhealthy at the levels most people currently eat it. While it wouldn't surprise me if more people ate Beyond meat and its ilk in the future, it doesn't make it better for us and will likely ju…
There is no consensus that seed oils are "terrible for us". Though as in all things nutrition it's easy to find a fringe voice that claims a position. Canola is considered a fairly healthy oil, obviously in moderation. Some fear-monger about hexane extraction however the Beyond Meat burger expressly uses pure pressed canola with no chemical extraction. Having said that, by far the overwhelming position on the "non me…
Is canola oil pressed without chemicals? I can't find anything about that...
Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Olive oil is not that good for you, and most importantly, it burns at really low temperatures, and ends up tasting horrible when it happens.
That's actually very incorrect and misleading. Olive oil, expecially extra virgin olive oil, can withstand higher temperatures than sunflower, peanut and the like. IIRC the smoke point for EVO is around 210C. You could literally fry in olive oil, it's just too expensive to do so.
I've exclusively fried stuff in EVOO all my life. I fill my deep fryer with EVOO. It's perfectly fine.
Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
#127I guess we'll never learn from things like margarine and other lab invented foods. Beyond Meat is heavily dependent on seed oils which are terrible for us (expeller pressed canola oil is ingredient #2). Red Meat actually isn't unhealthy at the levels most people currently eat it. While it wouldn't surprise me if more people ate Beyond meat and its ilk in the future, it doesn't make it better for us and will likely ju…
What is your source that margarine is more unhealthy than red meat? And what do you mean by "healthy" anyway?
Margarine is poison. Margarine is not food.
Animals, insects, mold or bacteria, will NOT eat margarine.
It's not even digestible.
Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
#128Many comments here by people who would have said the iPhone was impossible, or Tesla could never succeed. Or that the iPhone is actually bad or a Tesla is actually bad.
Not a lot of facts though. Such gleeful negativism in our gene pool.
"Just because you don't know how to do something doesn't mean you can't."
Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
A farmer friend of mine opines: "organic just means bugs have crawled over it before you eat it" The rise of veganism, mostly on ethical grounds, shows that nutritional equivalence may in fact be a minority concern, and that the ethics of "cruelty-free" eating supercede all nutritional concerns.
Put another way, “organic means a bug was able to crawl over your food without dying”.
If the bugs eat the crops, there isnt any crawled over food left.
Re: We are on the cusp of a disruption in food and agricultural production
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or how about the billions more people we will have in the coming decades? Population growth in the global south in addition to crop destabilization due to climate change will be a crisis. This is one possible solution. Eating "real" food may end up a luxury for most.
It sounds like the real solution is to stop making babies.
Past experience shows that this does not happen until countries reach a certain level of wealth. We'll get there as a planet eventually.