Keep making the biggest problem of Linux bigger, please... Yeah, this problem is "fragmentation", and it is not solved with "simplicity".
Why would it be a problem? I think it's a strength.
Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”
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#122Before deciding to try a new distribution, I want to know which important application it supports or not. I assume it supports usual stuff like ssh, vim, emacs, python, ruby, node, but does it support chrome, firefox, visual studio code, docker, virtual box ?
It depends on what you mean by "support".
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#123this looks kind of nice to be honest, and i hardly ever say that about some custom distro. only thing i'd like is to install it from USB instead of some chroot mumbo jumbo. that would require me to instal linux on a box firs before re-rolling into this. kind of annoying. perhaps something on the roadmap, didn't check. but definitely promising as far as i can see.
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#124In which world replacing removing Wayland in favour of X is considered KISS? We seem to have very different understanding of KISS with those folks.
X is widly used since 30 years. Its configuration (and security model) is well documented (xorg.conf). It is as simple as launching the X server using a simple command line and being able to connect any client (even remote) thanks to a single environment variable (DISPLAY). How do you launch a wayland server and how do you forward "display" (ssh -X or -Y) to launch a remote application ?
agree, even though some features of X are a bit crappy built, it's very well known, documented and used for so long basically any issue you run into someone else will have solved already somehow. perhaps one day wayland will be nice ,but not yet imho.
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#125ITT: People on _hacker news_ complaining about someone building their own linux distro... Go install windows and be happy in your mono culture world, but don't shit on other peoples creativity and effort.
While i agree with the first part, about the second part... Windows is hardly a monoculture, it contains a ton of technologies that overlap heavily each other. As an example, people used to make fun of the number of GUI toolkits available for Linux and their messy looks, but nowadays your average Windows installation has way more different toolkits installed than your average Linux installation :-P.
Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”
#126In which world replacing removing Wayland in favour of X is considered KISS? We seem to have very different understanding of KISS with those folks.
Wayland by itself is useless, you need other stuff to get some useful functionality, and the combination of Wayland+other stuff not only give you just a fraction of the functionality you get out of the box with Xorg but they also tend to be bloated silos (in that since Wayland itself doesn't do much it relies on extensions to do actual work but different Wayland implementations use different extensions - in theory X is the same, but in practice everyone has settled on Xorg and even without extensions, X provides enough functionality to allow creating useful applications).
Also for all practical purposes with Wayland you also need XWayland, which means that you get X anyway (especially considering that a lot of simple stuff will rely on X functionality). So might as well stick with X itself and get rid of Wayland as it doesn't provide anything of real value.
Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”
#127That logo was a terrible idea.
Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”
#128Before deciding to try a new distribution, I want to know which important application it supports or not. I assume it supports usual stuff like ssh, vim, emacs, python, ruby, node, but does it support chrome, firefox, visual studio code, docker, virtual box ?
Half of your named programs are not supported (Chromium/Electron, Virtual Box, Docker, all non open source software that doesn't support musl libc (which is nearly all proprietary software)). Chromium and Electron are a pain on musl systems, Virtual Box also would require patching for musl.
Re: Kiss – A Linux distribution with a focus on “less is more”
#129this looks kind of nice to be honest, and i hardly ever say that about some custom distro. only thing i'd like is to install it from USB instead of some chroot mumbo jumbo. that would require me to instal linux on a box firs before re-rolling into this. kind of annoying. perhaps something on the roadmap, didn't check. but definitely promising as far as i can see.
Thanks. :)
You don't need to install another Linux distribution beforehand, you just need to boot another distribution's live-iso to partition disks and download/unpack KISS.
This is simpler on my side as I don't have to compile and package a heavy kernel, generate an initramfs, build a squashfs and finally package it into an ISO image.
On the user side this enables more flexibility too. You can use a live-iso offering a GUI for "easier" partitioning or an iso in which you _know_ includes the firmware you need for the installation process etc.
The download for KISS is only a 45MB~ tarball and the installation is just unpacking it to your newly partitioned disk at `/`!
This also allows for the same installation tarball to double as a working chroot in existing systems. In my eyes, this method is simpler all round.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really, there are de-facto standards. If you are a big corporate enterprise, like a bank, the standard is going to be RHEL. If you're conservative organization but don't want to pay for licenses or support, you're probably going to go with a RHEL clone like CentOS, or worse, Oracle Linux. If you're a trendy Web 2.1 startup you'll probably go with Ubuntu or containers of Alpine Linux etc. EDIT: source - been doing Lin…
Your comment is the best illustration of what fragmentation means.
Then choose Windows then. Or Solaris. Or any of the other major operating system players. It really doesn't matter, unless you consider value for money or being able to get things done as important.