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Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by bigwavedave » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:48 PM UTC

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #70

partialrecall wrote: post #58

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> "The chess players are forgetting to eat. " This surprises me. I find that being hungry dulls my edge and makes me noticeably less clever. It's easy for me to forget to eat if I'm doing something mindless, but when I'm actively problem solving I find that I become more aware of my hunger (and other forms of general discomfort.)

Elsethread another poster was downvoted for saying it[0], but amphetamines make it much easier to get so focused on a task you forget to eat. I experimented with it for a while and even I, a food addict, forgot to eat if I was truly engaged in something. [0] Probably because his tone was accusational, though anyone who thinks chess grandmasters are any less willing to use performance drugs than any other high-end ath…

My own anecdata supports the idea that amphetamines can cause me to forget to eat. If I take two of my dextroamphetamine pills, eating becomes a chore.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:49 PM UTC

gfiorav wrote: post #87

I lost 10kg in 90 days. I didn't follow any fancy diet. Just counted calories. Yes, I know, I know it's flawed, but many of you are reasoning your way into eating what you want and the problem is discipline. I ate ice cream along the way. I too ate what I wanted, but I just tracked everything (I used lose it) and never overate my budget. The first diet that ever really worked. Nothing can replace discipline.

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Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by RobertRoberts » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #51

RobertRoberts wrote: post #9

I did tests for weight loss. I found that you don't lose weight until you sleep. (stay up all night and weigh your self repeatedly, in the morning, no loss, but after you sleep and wake, your weight goes back to "morning weight") I found that if you don't sleep well, you don't lose as much. If you eat too late before going to bed, you don't lose as much. If you adjust your diet (however you want is my experience) to…

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

I am just reporting on real data I collected and asked a question. What are you suggesting is "pseudoscience" that I said?

I agree that not eating is what caused weight loss more than anything else. But, I have found that solid waste is not where I lost weight, but through urine. And I mean weight loss as in fat, not water.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by scarface74 » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

berdon wrote: post #96

scarface74 wrote: post #51

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I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. Nothing about the body is simple. - There is a virus that studies suggest (show correlation) increase weight gain [1] - There is a study that shows water in != water out (unfortunately my googlefu is failing me though). - Empirical: I've lost weight eating 900 calories/day and I've lost weight eating 3500 calories/day with the same level of exercise. The difference…

I hate to use the old correlation is not causation....

But even if the virus does “cause” obesity, is it causing obesity by slowing down the host’s metabolism (decreasing the calories out) or increasing appetite (increasing calories in)?

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by __jal » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

omginternets wrote: post #79

scarface74 wrote: post #51

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I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

>Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics I assume you're referring to the "energy in" vs "energy out" meme in weight-loss. The body is not a closed system. While you _do_ have to balance your chemical equations for glucose catabolysis (or whatever), weight loss is far from a "simple physics" problem.

Some[1] will never drop the "simple physics" line because they don't care about learning about the biology of body weight, but rather reaffirming their aesthetic judgement that people they decide are overweight are also morally weak.

[1] Emphatically not judging anyone posting here; that's not my goal. I'm simply bluntly stating what has become painfully clear after having this discussion multiple times.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by scarface74 » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:51 PM UTC

RobertRoberts wrote: post #123

scarface74 wrote: post #51

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I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

I am just reporting on real data I collected and asked a question. What are you suggesting is "pseudoscience" that I said? I agree that not eating is what caused weight loss more than anything else. But, I have found that solid waste is not where I lost weight, but through urine. And I mean weight loss as in fat, not water.

“Data” based on a sample set of 1 that can easily be explained by known phenomena? Did you measure your body fat percentage daily?

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by berdon » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:52 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #124

berdon wrote: post #96

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Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. Nothing about the body is simple. - There is a virus that studies suggest (show correlation) increase weight gain [1] - There is a study that shows water in != water out (unfortunately my googlefu is failing me though). - Empirical: I've lost weight eating 900 calories/day and I've lost weight eating 3500 calories/day with the same level of exercise. The difference…

I hate to use the old correlation is not causation.... But even if the virus does “cause” obesity, is it causing obesity by slowing down the host’s metabolism (decreasing the calories out) or increasing appetite (increasing calories in)?

I'm not sure how I could have made that any clearer. I included (show correlation) specifically for that very reason.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by mattsfrey » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:52 PM UTC

MichaelApproved wrote: post #84

EGreg wrote: post #68

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I never understood this point of view. It’s like people who didn’t believe in washing hands until bacteria were discovered. Yes sure calories in calories out. But metabolism has so many variables. It can be revved up and burn a lot of calories. It can become quiescent when you are in starvation mode. What causes it to start using the fat reserves is definitely more than a univariate analysis. If there is a catalyst t…

> But metabolism has so many variables. You're drastically overestimating the difference in people's metabolism. > Some people are naturally skinny and others put on weight quickly. This is about appetite. Skinny people have a smaller appetite than overweight people. Show me a "skinny" person who can eat 4,000 calories a day and I'll show you a fat person.

This is a very false assumption, genetics absolutely do play a role in how much fat from dietary intake will be stored vs expelled as waste. Burning fat on the other hand, is universal and follows the law of conservation referred to in my other comment.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by cheald » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:52 PM UTC

Most people don't realize that a huge amount of their basal metabolism goes into operating the brain. Just "keeping the lights on" in the average person accounts for around 20% of your total daily energy expenditure! 6k cals/day is highly suspect, but anyone who has spent all day thinking hard can attest to how tiring it can be. That big brain of ours eats a lot of calories.

The other thing is that stress causes the body to produce cortisol - the catabolic hormone which makes it easier for your body to break down tissue into energy. Naturally, this causes our body to respond with an instinct to take in energy. In many folks, this prompts overeating, which is why stress is often blamed for increases in fat, but if you don't adjust your diet at all, it can accelerate energy expenditure.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by RandallBrown » Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 6:52 PM UTC

taurath wrote: post #115

RandallBrown wrote: post #101

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If you eat 500 calories and burn 600 calories, the energy has to come from somewhere . So in a sense it is actually a pretty simple physics problem. It gets tricky because calculating calorie consumption is really hard (how much of what you ate was actually turned into energy) and calculating calorie expenditure is probably even harder.

Your bodies absorbsion of nutrients and yes calories is not a system in a vacuum. Nor it’s decision to store excess calories as fat. There’s a wide range of how much different types of foods affect different people. I had a friend who would eat (we counted) 4000 calories a day and couldn’t get over 120lb. Turns out they had a soy allergy and their bodies didn’t absorb the food. Simplifying it to calories in calories…

Just because your friend was pooping out the calories instead of burning them for energy doesn't change that it was still calories in vs calories out.

Like I said, calculating both ends of the equation is tricky.