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Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by nscalf »

scarface74 wrote: post #51
RobertRoberts wrote: post #9

I did tests for weight loss. I found that you don't lose weight until you sleep. (stay up all night and weigh your self repeatedly, in the morning, no loss, but after you sleep and wake, your weight goes back to "morning weight") I found that if you don't sleep well, you don't lose as much. If you eat too late before going to bed, you don't lose as much. If you adjust your diet (however you want is my experience) to…

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

While this is probably mostly true, there is good science indicating that certain hormonal portfolios "hold" onto calories better than others. There is a reason power lifters are spiking insulin post workout, people are taking steroids, and medical conditions can make you fat.

If my mother wants to cut weight, I'm telling her this. If an athlete has to make weight for a fight, this is a stupid way of thinking. At the end of the day, calories in calories out is an objectively good rule of thumb. It's not the be all end all rule though.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by tsumnia »

EGreg wrote: post #68
scarface74 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

I never understood this point of view. It’s like people who didn’t believe in washing hands until bacteria were discovered. Yes sure calories in calories out. But metabolism has so many variables. It can be revved up and burn a lot of calories. It can become quiescent when you are in starvation mode. What causes it to start using the fat reserves is definitely more than a univariate analysis. If there is a catalyst t…

> Some people are naturally skinny and others put on weight quickly. This is already well known and shows that there are complex genetic inputs as well as other ones. We have to discover what those are. So saying it’s just calories in/out, stupid... nope!

I never really understood why this was always a catch-all trump card. So you can't gain/lose weight as easily as others. In my mind that just means you need to work harder rather than shrug your shoulders and say "nothing to be done". Specifically its people doing this that never look into their diet or are willing to change any of their habits.

Slightly related but Carol Dweck's growth mindset for education is literally this, but the difference is in people who believe they can't get in better shape and people that can.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by mrkstu »

partialrecall wrote: post #71
AimForTheBushes wrote: post #61

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Odd. I find the high from being hungry makes me output my best work. I feel sharper and energized.

One form of discomfort that sharpens me is the sensation of sleep deprivation kept at bay by caffeine. It has a dissociative effect that I find helps me concentrate. Reaching that state probably takes a toll on my body though. Perhaps the effects of discomfort on concentration are malleable, not inherit traits of the individual. Maybe, with the right kind of expectations and mindset, I could make the sensation of hun…

Same, though I'd phrase it differently.

For me at least I feel its more like I'm dealing with unmedicated ADHD and need to slow my brain with tiredness and then jolt it just enough with some Diet Dr Pepper to get the sharpness back.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by bluthru »

Touche wrote: post #89
papito wrote: post #64

After 30, one should seriously evaluate breakfast. Three meals per day becomes just too many calories to burn. Two meals for an adult is plenty. Coffee in the morning suppresses hunger, so one can go until 12-12:30 before getting woozy. At some point I noticed that I was force-feeding myself lunch if I ate breakfast. Hunger is a normal feeling - embrace it.

Change what you eat, not how often you eat. A yogurt and some fruit is fine for breakfast.

Not if you want to limit your eating window, which is a great way to make your body burn its fat reserves.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by berdon »

scarface74 wrote: post #51
RobertRoberts wrote: post #9

I did tests for weight loss. I found that you don't lose weight until you sleep. (stay up all night and weigh your self repeatedly, in the morning, no loss, but after you sleep and wake, your weight goes back to "morning weight") I found that if you don't sleep well, you don't lose as much. If you eat too late before going to bed, you don't lose as much. If you adjust your diet (however you want is my experience) to…

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics.

Nothing about the body is simple.

- There is a virus that studies suggest (show correlation) increase weight gain [1]

- There is a study that shows water in != water out (unfortunately my googlefu is failing me though).

- Empirical: I've lost weight eating 900 calories/day and I've lost weight eating 3500 calories/day with the same level of exercise. The difference was the 900 were carbs, the 3500 was >90% protein.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenovirus_serotype_36

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by ectospheno »

gfiorav wrote: post #87

I lost 10kg in 90 days. I didn't follow any fancy diet. Just counted calories. Yes, I know, I know it's flawed, but many of you are reasoning your way into eating what you want and the problem is discipline. I ate ice cream along the way. I too ate what I wanted, but I just tracked everything (I used lose it) and never overate my budget. The first diet that ever really worked. Nothing can replace discipline.

Diets fail because people make them something you do rather than something you are. You can stop a diet. A life change is permanent.

I’m down 42 pounds from my max weight and am at a healthy bmi. I too eat whatever I want I just eat less of it. It stuck when I stopped calling it a diet. It is just how I live now. I feel tons better and my knees stopped hating me.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by crispyporkbites »

scarface74 wrote: post #77
EGreg wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood this point of view. It’s like people who didn’t believe in washing hands until bacteria were discovered. Yes sure calories in calories out. But metabolism has so many variables. It can be revved up and burn a lot of calories. It can become quiescent when you are in starvation mode. What causes it to start using the fat reserves is definitely more than a univariate analysis. If there is a catalyst t…

It is still just calories in and calories out. Some people naturally have a higher metabolism and a higher basal metabolic rate. It still doesn’t change the equation. Yes, it’s a well known fact that if you eat too few calories, that your metabolism slows down - and you burn less calories. That doesn’t make anything that the original poster said scientifically valid. I saw all sorts of crazy crap that people believed…

ah yes spot reduction, doing crunches will not remove the fat on your stomach. If anything it'll make your stomach bigger with muscle gains!

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by omginternets »

partialrecall wrote: post #86
omginternets wrote: post #79

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>Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics I assume you're referring to the "energy in" vs "energy out" meme in weight-loss. The body is not a closed system. While you _do_ have to balance your chemical equations for glucose catabolysis (or whatever), weight loss is far from a "simple physics" problem.

Surely energy going into and out of the body, which is the point of the "meme", is mutually exclusive with the body being a closed system.

Yes, that's very much my point!

By extension, it excludes reasoning about weight loss in terms of conservation of mass/energy.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by Ensorceled »

oarabbus_ wrote: post #23
Ensorceled wrote: post #17

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Anecdotally, I’ve run marathons and half-marathons and would compare calorie burn to a competitive MtG tourney.

Anecdotally, I don't believe that for half a second.

It’s not true if you’re playing for fun. If I go to a pre-release it’s a walk in the park. When I was playing competitive MtG, it was draining and I would be eating power bars every hour or so and still lose weight.
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