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U.S. Warns Of Spy Dangers Of Chinese-Made Drones

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Post by onemoresoop »

The problem that US is facing is the loss of credibility over time. It reminds me of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. US doesn't have the credibility to convince the world anymore, even if the threat is real..

There is a lot of rebuilding the US has to do. First fix the politics which is rife with petty interests, lobbying, political imbalance very skewed towards corporations over citizens, extreme polarization, 2 party system, hypocrisy,etc..

But all that, with great effort, can be fixed. A purge is needed, not just try to shove the dirt under a carpet and pretend all is nice and dandy.

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Post by GordonS »

Someone1234 wrote: post #7

Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…

It does always seems like the US government is using mass media as it's mouthpiece to spout propaganda about the boogeyman de-jour.

Anything to deflect away from US matters at home or abroad, anything to keep the populace in constant fear and suspicion - ooh, look what the nasty commies are doing, red danger, oh oh, now it's those terrible immigrants.. oh, now it's those dastardly commies again!

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Post by some_random »

>"[If] you fly a drone above a pipeline, there's a pretty good chance someone is gonna see it up there," he said, but "a spy satellite just takes a picture from 120 miles up or whatever. Then, of course, no one's going to know what happened."

You have to be kidding, no one is going to notice a white drone 3km[0] above them, if there even is anyone around to notice. Sure, a spy sat is better, but it's also orders of magnitude more expensive, can't loiter[1], and might still have inferior imaging. This is just embarrassing.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJI_(company)#Phantom [1]: Spy satellites pretty much always orbit faster than the earth turns in order to have better coverage.

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Post by la_barba »

onemoresoop wrote: post #121

The problem that US is facing is the loss of credibility over time. It reminds me of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. US doesn't have the credibility to convince the world anymore, even if the threat is real.. There is a lot of rebuilding the US has to do. First fix the politics which is rife with petty interests, lobbying, political imbalance very skewed towards corporations over citizens, extreme polarization, 2 party syste…

The other thing that has happened is the internet and the free flow of information. It is no longer the case of manipulating 3-4 media outlets. People get their information at thousands of different places. I think its not really a loss of credibility, but the normalization of credibility based on a huge pool of information, rather than a restricted one.

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Post by throw2016 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #7

Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…

This puts to rest all illusions and fantasies of 'free markets', competition, choice and free trade. Markets are political constructs and there is nothing inherently free or fair about them.

There is clearly one set of rules in operation for a chosen few whose companies get access to global markets without fearmongering and thus can grow uninhibited and then the real world where evidence-free scaremongering, demonization and sanctions are used to limit market access, sabotage others and destroy competition before it forms.

And citizens of the former get the privilege of articulating a set of free market values in a depoliticized context free world that don't hold in the real world. But its better this happens than it doesn't so the rest of the world can see through the self serving hypocrisy and plan accordingly. Those with this mindset will always find a way to limit others.

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#128

Post by DiogenesKynikos »

tw04 wrote: post #73
coldtea wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To the point the only person claiming there were WMDs was Cheney and his inner circle, which is why both the Democrats and our international partners had to be brow beaten into supporting the invasion of Iraq. Just "Cheney" and NYT, and CNN, and the entire establishment, sans some voices. Besides the trillion dollar war efforts went on anyway (also against Afghanistan, a below third world country that has almost no…

>Just "Cheney" and NYT, and CNN, and the entire establishment, sans some voices. Besides the trillion dollar war efforts went on anyway (also against Afghanistan, a below third world country that has almost nothing to do with the, probably Saudi-funded attack). That's just a blatant, and easily disproved re-write of history. You can rag on CNN all you want for trying to give both sides of the story an opportunity to…

I see your article, and I raise you an "Experts: Iraq has tons of chemical weapons."

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/02/iraq.weapons/index...

American establishment media, including the New York Times and the Washington Post, were strongly pro-war. After the invasion, the New York Times even issued a half-hearted apology for their terrible coverage:

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/world/from-the-editors-th...

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#129

Post by DiogenesKynikos »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #64
tw04 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how old you were at the time of 9/11 - but there were loud, public voices in the Intelligence Community telling everyone that the WMD situation was fabricated. To the point the only person claiming there were WMDs was Cheney and his inner circle, which is why both the Democrats and our international partners had to be brow beaten into supporting the invasion of Iraq. To claim these two situations are the…

This form of argument, “Situation A has substantial differences from Situation B therefore no analogy can be made” strikes me as meritless. It is only helpful to point out differences if those differences clearly invalidate the analogy. The mere presence of difference is not enough.

The former chief weapons inspector, Scott Ritter, an American, voiced skepticism, but he was treated like a crazy person by the media.

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#130

Post by docker_up »

Someone1234 wrote: post #7

Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…

Agreed. Saying "there is something" but not revealing what it is only keeps the consumers in the dark. The Chinese would go through their entire chain to make sure they hide their tracks again, etc, so it's not like opportunities like counter-surveillance will remain. It's literally stupid to say they can't reveal what it is because there's no benefit and only makes me think Homeland services are idiots.
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