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U.S. Warns Of Spy Dangers Of Chinese-Made Drones

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Post by erikpukinskis »

Junk_Collector wrote: post #32
TallGuyShort wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The same could absolutely be said about US made products being used in countries that the USA is adversarial against Such as, itself.

Well of course. Every country has at some point been hostile to it's own citizens or some segment of it's population. It's something that the citizenry need to push back on and keep the government in check. But by and large, the US is no where near as adversarial to it's citizens, companies, or infrastructure as China.

That claim would need some substantiation. Not sure how you even measure that.

Certainly, if you and I started spending repeated 30 minute looking for examples of adversarial actions taken by the US and China against their people, neither of us would run out of examples before tomorrow.

So what are you claiming exactly?

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Post by simion314 »

Junk_Collector wrote: post #53
simion314 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how the trade war fixes the possible security issue caused by a potential OTA update in a potential conflict, a solution would be to make illegal OTA updates for critical hardware and software without getting the update reviewed. So military or other important things would buy only products that are reviewed and with updates that are signed by the government. Or even simpler have this hardware and softwar…

The trade war won't fix issues with OTA as a vulnerability. It is useful for the US to point it out to tip things in their favor so it gets a lot of coverage. I also agree with you that the solution to OTA updates is tight control, but that isn't realistic either. They are talking about drones in the article. These are devices bought and run by companies that build infrastructure in the US but are not directly relate…

>Intel ME is an abomination, but it's also well known and gets a lot of coverage. It's just not in the mainstream news right this minute.

It was probably only a topic on technical forums.

Technical question, can't you build a drone that does not need OTA updates from manufacturer ? You have it connect only to your trusted IPs.

Also sending the high definition photos to China won't appear on anybody network traffic? You just need 1 person to detect it and you have the some kind of proof(though when a similar thing happened with Amazon Alexa it was blamed as a bug and not espionage).

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Post by simion314 »

mtgx wrote: post #56
simion314 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how the trade war fixes the possible security issue caused by a potential OTA update in a potential conflict, a solution would be to make illegal OTA updates for critical hardware and software without getting the update reviewed. So military or other important things would buy only products that are reviewed and with updates that are signed by the government. Or even simpler have this hardware and softwar…

The trade war -- if done right -- would supposedly force China to make some real concessions if they want the trade war to end. For instance, they almost agreed to end the forced tech transfers from US to Chinese companies, but then they changed their minds, which seems to be what actually prompted the recent tariff raise to 25%. I understand not "making the economic situation worse", but sometimes things have to get…

Your economic facts(though some of them don't sound real) are of topic in the security discussion. If a real war starts between A and B the fact that A and B respected all the trade agreements is irrelevant. Ex: US spies on their allies, so you can respect all trades, be allies and still have espionage. The solution would be to have security features, like open source the code, firewall critical components etc.

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Post by erikpukinskis »

tw04 wrote: post #26
luckylion wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's similar to how we can't let Saddam know that we know where his giant WMD factories and storage facilities are, so you just have to take our word for it...

I don't know how old you were at the time of 9/11 - but there were loud, public voices in the Intelligence Community telling everyone that the WMD situation was fabricated. To the point the only person claiming there were WMDs was Cheney and his inner circle, which is why both the Democrats and our international partners had to be brow beaten into supporting the invasion of Iraq. To claim these two situations are the…

This form of argument, “Situation A has substantial differences from Situation B therefore no analogy can be made” strikes me as meritless.

It is only helpful to point out differences if those differences clearly invalidate the analogy. The mere presence of difference is not enough.

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

Someone1234 wrote: post #7

Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…

Is it that they're pointing to vulnerabilities, not exploits?

1. This class of device has known vulnerabilities

2. These devices are still sufficiently novel that they make economical new and different types of attacks

3. Organizations should consider how these vulnerabilities could potentially compromise your current security plans.

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Post by daenz »

tehjoker wrote: post #57

World: We're not being paranoid. US drones kill innocent civilians around the world. They're really beating the drum on China. Be intensely suspicious. China is a trading partner that does some shitty things (e.g. in Xinjiang province), but the nation focused on world domination is the one right here.

You're comparing apples and oranges. US drones aren't doing fully autonomous killing, they're killing through policies of leaders you help elect. That's the apples. The oranges is tech we purchase (drones in particular) having backdoors. Why do you think these two are comparable?

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Post by ovi256 »

ProAm wrote: post #31

Isn't this the US's fault for letting manufacturing move to China in the 1980-present? Any large global migration of industry will have this same threat eventually.

Sure, but even when it's your own fault, you have to fix something bad happening to you.

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Post by mg794613 »

"We're not being paranoid"

No, but the amount of suggestive "Might" "Could" etc titles/articles now out there shows a whole other picture. China is now the new enemy. And everybody must know apparently.

Even respectable news outlets can't resist the temptation of completely unfounded copying of the American media machine.

I'm not stating China is so innocent, but sorry there is only one country in the world systematically spying, bombing and manipulating friend AND enemies alike. And that's the USA.

So please, my dear Americans. Stop it yourself and we might lend you our ear again. Sincerely, a fellow world citizen, located in Europe.

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Post by test001only »

Someone1234 wrote: post #7

Why not publish a specific threat? These vague "The Chinese are up to something but we cannot reveal what" isn't really helpful, particularly given the current trade tensions (and political motivations e.g. "bring jobs home"). I'm not really "siding" with the Chinese, they may be up to something, but the US has really done themselves a great deal of damage when their own allies don't really believe them. Just publish…

This reminds me of "believe us they have bio-weapons and need to attack Iraq" trope followed in the recent past. This is just building up media narrative and trying to brainwash people, similar to what happened in the past.

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Post by z0r »

happy-go-lucky wrote: post #58

> "The Communist Party of China now has in their law the ability to interfere and take information from virtually every Chinese company," I think that not only the Communist Party of China but all the political systems around the world have the ability to demand lawful access to information from virtually every company that is supposed to comply with their laws.

The problem (or a problem) is that the rule of law in China is apparently capricious and unpredictable.
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