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Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

#121

Simpler: stop showing tweets just because other people liked them. That's not a reshare, so it shouldn't be treated that way. More generally, discourage large conversations and encourage fragmentation.

That's why someone bought this domain [0] which redirects to a search excluding tweets [1] not authored by the people you follow. It's way sparser for me (I follow roughly 200 people) than the regular twitter feed so I also waste way less time whether procrastinating or looking for tweets by people I actually follow. I deleted "twitter.com" from my browser history and always start at realtwitter.com now. [0] http://r…

Wow I just actually enjoyed using twitter for the first time ever. I'll keep that link in mind.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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post #85

Simpler: stop showing tweets just because other people liked them. That's not a reshare, so it shouldn't be treated that way. More generally, discourage large conversations and encourage fragmentation.

I never (no longer, that is) see tweets that other people like. I think there is a setting to disable them from appearing now. At the very least, whenever one appears you can click the little arrow next to it and select "see less often" (or equivalent).

Yup, selecting "see less often" once seemed to make them disappear entirely for me.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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post #98

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IRC is also terrible for conversations.

IRC is fine for conversations, though it's a different model of conversation than many mediums. All comments from different threads of conversation are intermixed, and you must separate them out mentally. This is very different from threaded models, but it's something that can be adapted to easily enough, same as how most people can talk within a group in a noisy bar, where there are multiple surrounding intelligible…

More important IRC don’t enable to browse history as far as I known.

Meanwhile tweet can persist enabling asynchronous conversation, so it’s more like a very lightweight forum than IRC.

Edit: But the tree structure for reply is actually more similar to a HN thread with a less visible structure.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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It lets them constantly drag anything out of proportion. Very often articles are written titled "Xs are Ying", where less than 1% of Xs are even considered to begin with. This is BuzzFeed (not that they're even a worse offender than most others at this point), what does one expect?

It frustrates me how often arguments like these are made without considering the economic conditions which led to publishers adopting this clickbait behavior. When the internet came in and destroyed print subscriptions and tech giants like FB/Google started controlling online advertising, getting clicks became the way to make money. We really only have ourselves to blame for choosing ad-driven media content at the ex…

Going non-clickbaity is not only about sacrificing revenue: it's also about sacrificing readership. Even if your only goal is readership, living in a world where the competition employs click-bait means your hands are somewhat forced.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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post #104

Does it involve banning nazis?

Why do you have nazis in your timeline in the first place?

I never understood the people that always complain about nazis on twitter. Like seriously what are you clicking 'Like' on that your twitter is fully of nazis?

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

#127
post #80

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Yeah, I don't get this at all. I think it's even deeper than designing for controversy. I'm "older" (40s), though I work on products used by younger people, so I don't think this is just me being old, but I can't follow a conversation on twitter at all. When there's a link from HackerNews to Twitter, I click on it and sometimes see the thing mentioned in the HN title, and sometimes don't. Then there's a bunch of stuf…

Some people used to feel this way about IRC. I'm afraid the reality is probably that you just don't have the motivation to figure it out, for whatever reason. No mass-market product like Twitter could succeed if it was as confusing as you say it is. There's also the fact that a subset of computer programmer types have low tolerance for all sorts of "noisy" things that the average person doesn't have a problem with.

I'd separate use cases. If you want to talk to/about yourself or if you just want to rant at somebody, post memes, etc then Twitter is easy and natural to use. If you want to have meaningful nuanced conversation, Twitter is useless. So you end up with a dichotomy where for some people Twitter is a fine fit and for others it's completely unusable. Both are correct.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

#128

I think human conversations at scale with strangers is inherently difficult to solve. We are prone to quick, context-life reactions. Threading management only gets you so far…

HN, Reddit and most newsgroups are not so bad.

HN has an appalling reputation outside of HN. People refer to it as "the evil orange website".

EDIT: It's "angry orange website", not "evil orange website". Not so bad after all.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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HN, Reddit and most newsgroups are not so bad.

HN has an appalling reputation outside of HN. People refer to it as "the evil orange website". EDIT: It's "angry orange website", not "evil orange website". Not so bad after all.

Honest question: which people? HN is too US/California/Bay Area centric for my tastes (most people here are probably from there), it talks a bit too much about money and jobs, but it's still a decent resource.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

#130

I think human conversations at scale with strangers is inherently difficult to solve. We are prone to quick, context-life reactions. Threading management only gets you so far…

The pink elephant there is profit. Discussion with strangers is not difficult to solve. Even going back to AOL style topic driven chat rooms, which are just a step above IRC, it all worked just fine. BBS style systems also worked phenomenally well.

But now enter companies wanting to make a buck. And that's where all the stupidity comes into play. Because now you need to people to disproportionately be exposed to e.g. advertisers, and to keep the advertisers around you also probably need to stop people from really speaking their mind about them: 'This movie sucks.' 'Yeah, drink this fizzy corn fructose laden crap and get fat. Woot!' So you end up with shilling, 'moderation', and other mechanisms to try to help ease monetization. This, in turn, rapidly drives division, antagonism, and trolling. And so the corporate site needs to push even harder to maintain their advertising venue. Which results in an ever downward spiral.

And on top of all of this now you don't just need people to chat. You need for them to stay actively 'engaged' with your 'platform.' Those big buck advertisers aren't going to pay you to advertise to your 500 users. So now enter things like voting systems. Opaque manipulation means you can help drive discussion however you want, and you can simultaneously help addict users by giving them that tiny little dopamine bump each time they see 'oh wow, i got more imaginary internet points! herpa derp!' Hey what do you know, these voting systems are somehow driving the creation of increasingly radicalized little echo chambers. Yeah man, but look how engaged they are! It's all quite idiotic, but this derives from the fact that the problem is not enabling chat, the problem is enabling chat while making money off of it.

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