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Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by staticautomatic »

Andrex wrote: post #105
DivisionSol wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.

Pasting the same thing over and over in different threads regardless of context isn't exactly arguing in good faith or inviting nuanced discussion, so I wouldn't go that route myself...

It's not regardless of context. It's because of context.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by joenathanone »

pugworthy wrote: post #82
joenathanone wrote: post #26

Can I return my Nest for a refund? This is so stupid.

How does this impact you personally?

I have automations setup with Smartthings to control my termostat. I wouldn't have purchased the Nest if it wasn't compatible with Smartthings.

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Post by vidarh »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #107
dreamcompiler wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That clothing manufacturer doesn't have a billion daily users who will use them regardless of how evil they are.

No but Microsoft used to be untouchable too. They've come back a bit under Nadella who seems to understand why people use his product. I never thought I'd see the day where I trusted MS more than Google but wow has Google just become a scummy, unreliable company since Alphabet.

I've gone from considering MS outright evil to being unconcerned about being their customer.

While with Google I now find myself actively worrying about how to avoid their services before they break things I depend on. I certainly will not use any new services from Google... It feels like the world has turned upside down.

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Post by johnwheeler »

pugworthy wrote: post #84
systemBuilder wrote: post #23

I am turning off my future purchases of Google Nest products.

Why exactly? How does this decision impact you personally?

You keep repeating this in your comments like a broken record. What do _you_ care that people care? People obviously do care or they wouldn’t be voicing on HN? Why does that bother you so much?

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Post by protomyth »

pugworthy wrote: post #113
sdinsn wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because having an open API fosters a community of applications that is free marketing and free development for your product. Nest products are expensive, those 1800 users may equate to a few hundred thousand in revenue for Google, who may instead buy a competitor for their next purchase.

I get that, and I think it's sad they cut it for that reason, but can we at least express our thoughts in that line? "I will never buy Nest AGAIN!" stuff is like what I'd expect on Reddit or Facebook. Can't we at least post about what the value is that's being lost?

We don’t know the value that’s being lost since we are talking about potential in early days. 1800 can go to 180,000 in a short time. We don’t know where Twitter would be if they hadn’t tanked their client ecosystem. We don’t know where Wave would be.

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Post by teej »

electrograv wrote: post #38

I see Google API/ecosystem fans often defending or dismissing Google’s pattern of behavior here, using arguments like this: “Well, sure, they shut down that API I don’t use — big deal; all things come to an end eventually! But, they’d NEVER do that to this API I rely on — that would be so horrible, Google just would not do it!” I hope we all can acknowledge that this argument is on perpetually eroding ground, at the…

Maybe I spend too much time on HN, but I’ve literally never seen someone take Google’s side in these situations.

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Post by bhhaskin »

Robotbeat wrote: post #8
bhhaskin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another reminder to never buy a "smart" device. At the end of the day they are pretty dumb.

Unless you roll your own. But then we’re in the bad old days of home automation just for tinkerers...

I honestly have give it quite a bit of thought as to what it would take to start an open source hardware company. Everything has a user accessable API and the option to use their own firmware if they want.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

kd0amg wrote: post #95
saagarjha wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a variant of the “first they came for” argument.

First they came for Google Wave, and I did not speak out—Because I never really understood what Wave was to begin with. Then they came for Google+, and I did not speak out—Because almost all the people I want life updates from are on Facebook. Then they came for Google Reader, and I did not speak out—Because I never actually heard of Reader until years after it was eliminated. Maybe Reader was actually first? Then th…

Damn I miss Reader.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by pugworthy »

ljoshua wrote: post #64

So let's talk alternatives. EcoBee? Honeywell? What's the suggested alternate device and route for those of us that like a little control, like having other services that can integrate, and don't want to be yanked around by shutdowns?

Check out open source things. Some listed at https://www.hackster.io/projects/tags/thermostat
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