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Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by Hixie »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #67
Hixie wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm the Flutter TL.) As a target platform or as a development platform? We don't support targeting Linux out of the box today, but we support Linux as a first-class development platform (it's what I use). That said, we do work on Linux, and if you're willing to do a bit of work, you can use it to write Linux apps. If you want to target X11, you'll need something like https://github.com/google/flutter-desktop-embeddi…

Interesting thanks. I'm looking to make something that can play media and animations would like it to run on beefy PCs as well as tablets if I can.

We're not quite there yet unless you have a high tolerance for pain, but in the coming year we should in a good place to support that kind of thing.

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by mixmastamyk »

Hixie wrote: post #121
mixmastamyk wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting thanks. I'm looking to make something that can play media and animations would like it to run on beefy PCs as well as tablets if I can.

We're not quite there yet unless you have a high tolerance for pain, but in the coming year we should in a good place to support that kind of thing.

pain: bugs or performance, or both? ;-)

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by pingucrimson »

mraleph wrote: post #5
mikece wrote: post #2

Dart could very well end up being the secret weapon behind Flutter. Not only does Dart compile to JavaScript -- it's done this from day 1 -- but it also compiles to ARM binary via LLVM for iOS applications... meaning that compiling to WASM should be a trivial option to enable bringing near-native computational speeds to any targeted platform.

> but it also compiles to ARM binary via LLVM for iOS applications [disclaimer: I am TL for Dart Native Compilers] We currently don't use LLVM for compiling Dart to native and we actually never used it in production - though we previously built couple of prototypes to evaluate potential benefits of using LLVM. We use our own AOT compilation toolchain which has roots in our JIT compiler for Dart. > meaning that compil…

Out of curiosity, why'd you decide not to use LLVM?

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by Andrex »

zackbrown wrote: post #26

Has Flutter solved its footprint-bloat problem? The internet is littered with reports of 10-100MB+ .ipa and .apk binaries coming out of simple Flutter apps for iOS + Android. Google states they can't imagine the footprint ever dropping as low as 1MB. [1] On Web, 1MB of base runtime is a complete showstopper. Embedded applications may suffer similarly. Does today's announcement mean Google has figured out how to fix t…

To clarify to anyone else who may have been confused as I was: the "quoted" text in the parent post is not an actual announcement from the source URL or anywhere else, but a hypothetical future situation.

Almost gave me a heart attack.

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by s_y_n_t_a_x »

westoque wrote: post #84
zackbrown wrote: post #26

Has Flutter solved its footprint-bloat problem? The internet is littered with reports of 10-100MB+ .ipa and .apk binaries coming out of simple Flutter apps for iOS + Android. Google states they can't imagine the footprint ever dropping as low as 1MB. [1] On Web, 1MB of base runtime is a complete showstopper. Embedded applications may suffer similarly. Does today's announcement mean Google has figured out how to fix t…

I don’t understand the obsession with small binaries and compiled packages. I care about usability and user experience. If it takes 5mb to have a smooth experience then I’m all for it. It’s funny how we now have fiber having 1GB/s internet speeds and we rant about having 1MB size package being too big. Also, everyone’s moving to 4k now with even bigger transfer/data requirements. tldr; 1mb should be a non issue as lo…

Test on a phone, anything over 1MB will lock up the script parser for a few seconds.

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by [deleted] »

ergothus wrote: post #77

No one has (yet) mentioned the main reason I ignored Flutter when it initially came out and why I continue to have reluctance - It's google. They have a terrible track record with products AND with libraries. GWT? Dart (pre flutter)? NaCl? How about all those initial Angular devs? That's not a statement on the quality of the result (though some of those examples do indicate concerns), but if I'm not alone in avoiding…

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Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by Andrex »

aerovistae wrote: post #56
yesimahuman wrote: post #40

Flutter for Web is heavily reminiscent of Famous with its custom layout system and off-DOM rendering (or guessing DOM rendering support w/ CSS transforms of divs). To see, just view-source on the NYT demo. Quite divergent from the web platform in my opinion. The fact that they have to re-implement copy and paste (and, accessibility features!) further adds to that: https://medium.com/flutter-io/bringing-flutter-to-the…

God, I totally forgot about Famous. That was honestly one of the weirder things I’ve seen in my years of web development. Such a gorgeous website and yet I never really understood what they were trying to sell me on. So much marketing, such little end result....never went anywhere, never amounted to anything meaningful.

I think one of my first HN comments was meekly raising my hand and asking "OK, but what actually is this?" And getting quite a few (unexpected) upvotes, haha.

Re: Flutter: a Portable UI Framework for Mobile, Web, Embedded, and Desktop

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Post by miyoyo »

zackbrown wrote: post #120
michaelchisari wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but (unfortunately) it's hardly an outlier in today's ecosystem.

Try importing `flutter/animation` — footprint goes WAY off the deep end. `animation.ddc.js` is 4.4MB alone (unminified), never mind the rest of the runtime AND userland application code. You can see this in the flutter_web/examples/gallery example. [`webdev build` failed for me in examples/gallery, so I'd love to see what a successfully minified version of that example looks like — I'm currently deeply skeptical.] Co…

DDC is not at all a representation of the final size of the code, as it doesn't run any kind of tree shaking, minification or optimization, and the animation library has a lot of things that you will definitely not import.
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