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Maybe someone can explain to me why the hell France (or the rest of the EU) even cares about where Germany gets their gas from in the first place?
And then someone could explain why should I, a citizen of another country that's very far away from France, need to care about that
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Which is a case in point about the will of the people. Especially in very complicated situations, the people do not necessarily understand the impact of their choices, which is why they select representatives to act in their stead.
The choice offered was a 'have cake, unicorns and rainbows with a free puppy' or remain in the EU. How were they expected to understand the real impact of their choice when it was so blatantly missold? "There is no plan for no deal, because we'll easily get a great deal" Boris Johnson. "getting out of the EU can be quick and easy - the UK holds most of the cards in any negotiation" John Redwood. I'm sorry, but in wha…
It also assumes that no other referendum are based on falsehood, including the original membership referendum.
In reality, the people vote for the wrong result, and the leave campaign comes under the microscope
EDIT: flagged? because it's pro-brexit? politics are being played around flagging. I wish there was a process for this kind of flag abuse.
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Ah, so when you disagree, people voted for lies? But when you agree then it’s the will of the people?
Oh, come on. Yes, mislead will is also a will. However, the Brexit vote should never have been legally binding, it's now how referendums work in England. The people who wanted Brexit literally said out loud we lied next morning, the resigned and/or disappeared. Sure, it's the will of the people...
It should have been legally binding, if it had been then it could have been challenged in court and very likely would have been overturned due to the cheating of the leave campaigns.
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The problem here is that the backroom deal of two countries (Germany and France) now has influence over countries that are totally unrelated like e.g. Finland. This turns the EU into a tyranny where might is right. Why should Germans have a say about how the internet should work in Finland? The EU is also already dying. Brexit will come soon and Italy is on it's way out. What the remnants will be is unclear but the E…
The problem here is that the backroom deal of two states (California and New York) now has influence over states that are totally unrelated like e.g. Wyoming. This turns the US into a tyranny where might is right. Why should Californians have a say about how the internet should work in Wyoming? (The reality of course is that the US has had not only a say, but often the only say in how the internet should work in the…
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These are pretty weak arguments to get rid of the EU. In many democracies, the government has the power to propose legislation. And what democracy doesn't have backroom deals?
The problem here is that the backroom deal of two countries (Germany and France) now has influence over countries that are totally unrelated like e.g. Finland. This turns the EU into a tyranny where might is right. Why should Germans have a say about how the internet should work in Finland? The EU is also already dying. Brexit will come soon and Italy is on it's way out. What the remnants will be is unclear but the E…
Wonder how everyone here who keep praising and extolling everything the EU does has to say about this. Edit: being downvoted to oblivion suggests either that they are in denial or there are many paid shills around or both, either way I rest my case.
Literally nobody is doing that. Young EU supporters, like me, are the very people who were demonstrating against this. We are caught between reckless Brexiteering nationalists and a lobby-bought EU parliament.
I wouldn't say this is about "lobby-bought EU parliament". This is about the parliament routinely rubber-stamping everything. Rejections are extremely rare. This legislation had so wide opposition that there was a chance it won't pass. Even this passed. Consider how well the process works for things that aren't of so much public interest.
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The EU Parliament, who we vote for every 5 years (and have elections coming up), vote for a law. You don't like said law, therefore it's undemocratic? The way the parliament is elected is quite fair - it gives a little more power to people in smaller countries, but that's not unusual (UK westminster constituencies vary from 22k to 120k. U.S. congress areas are more even, ranging from 500k to 1 million). There's an ar…
To make my point a bit clearer: I am almost convinced now that "representative democracy" shouldn't count as a "democracy" just because the population can vote who they get ####ed by. It only works as long as the representatives see it as their duty to represent the will of the voters accurately, which I'm starting to believe is an antithesis to human behavior, and thus will never be the norm. I'm not saying that Eur…
That's not really the idea behind representative democracy. It's supposed to work that you vote for the person whose values intelligence and approach to policy you agree with, and they use their skill and judgement from there on in - you can of course lobby them on issues.
Macron is a crook. If any other president from any other civilized country would have sent the military to guard against its citizens' street protests [1] then that president would have been (rightly) called out the worst names, instead Macron is still seen by a large part of the mainstream media as this savior of European civilization and democracy.
[1] http://en.rfi.fr/france/20190320-military-be-deployed-saturd...