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Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by dman »

wink wrote: post #108
linuxftw wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a (more than one, really) wonderful free operating system alternative that you can install on almost any PC. At the very least, you can dual boot. Critical mass starts with you.

Please don't act as if Linux was a viable alternative for everything. It's not. I appreciate trying to prod people, but this came off very elitist. -- someone who's been using Linux since 1998, Linux desktops for work stuff since ~2008 and has more machines with only Linux at home than ones with Windows, but still spends the majority of recreation time on a Win7 box because not all games run nicely with Wine, or at a…

I would like to live in a world where the parents comment could be interpreted as talking about openbsd / freebsd etc. (Parents username notwithstanding).

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by flukus »

zapzupnz wrote: post #119
flukus wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Please don't act as if Linux was a viable alternative for everything. It's not. Please get over the idea that linux will ever be a 100% perfect drop-in replacement for windows. If you can't accept that their will be some pain involved and things they have to give up then you should expect to be stuck in this abusive relationship forever.

> Please get over the idea that linux will ever be a 100% perfect drop-in replacement for windows Are you saying that generally or to the person to whom you responded, because it looks like you're both saying the same thing with the current wording and I find it a tad confusing.

We both recognize the difficulty but OP doesn't seem willing to accept the self sacrifice necessary to get to the end goal, which is what I was attempting to emphasize.

As long as MS know that people aren't willing to make sacrifices (and we're using the term loosely) like that they will have no reason to change and the cycle will continue.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by nickjj »

zwaps wrote: post #107
nickjj wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A setting that is much less explicit about what it is collecting. It's pretty explicit on what it's collecting given the article's context. The linked article's tagline is: > Microsoft baffles Windows 10 users by apparently collecting data about recently opened websites and apps when users have opted against sharing that information. But if you look at the help text next to the radio button in the diagnostics setti…

I have it set to basic and it still shows the apps I used in the privacy dashboard website. The basic/full story is bull

Yeah but having a privacy dashboard means you have a MS Live account linked to your Windows login right?

You should disable that and revert to a standard offline Windows user account (check the 3 steps from my original parent comment).

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by jake_the_third »

blitmap wrote: post #48
guelo wrote: post #37

As a longtime Windows 7 fan that refused to upgrade until I finally bought a new laptop with it I have been absolutely shocked by Windows 10's aggressive user-hostility. The way they reset settings after forced upgrades should be criminal. The way the user has no control over certain Microsoft processes unless they have been lucky enough to be allowed to pay for a Group Policy Editor license should also be criminal.…

The only user-hostile behavior I mostly agree with his forced, frequent updates. It would be better if: 1) Microsoft didn't beta-test with actual customers. 2) Microsoft figured out how to update things without restarting so commonly (as I understand, this is due to how files are locked and how dependent services are updated). 3) Microsoft didn't push out unnecessary crap as "critical" or essential/important updates.…

> The only user-hostile behavior I mostly agree with his forced, frequent updates.

.. by default.

An owner should always have the final say in what his machine does. If they choose to disable automatic updates, then that's their prerogative and they bear the consequences.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by jake_the_third »

setquk wrote: post #20
blub wrote: post #8

Another nail in the coffin of MS telemetry apologists. Really, MS is freaking evil when it comes to this stuff. Wonder which asshole greenlighted this huge telemetry push. Must have been sanctioned from the very top.

Names.. Satya Nadella is directly responsible here. There has been no response from him on petitions about it. Google the various sources: Ben Evans is responsible for enforcing the state of affairs on .Net core at least. https://github.com/dotnet/cli/issues/3093 Joey Ailleo, Powershell PM said this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18629942 "I'm a huge privacy advocate, but telemetry doesn't have to be a dirty wo…

Thank you! Although this information is out their, compiling the people involved into a list like this makes for much easier research.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by developer2 »

nickjj wrote: post #30

I don't get it. This article and Reddit post is very misguided. Why are people upset that you're sending data to Microsoft if you enable the settings in Windows that specifically allow Microsoft to collect this data? Maybe I'm biased since I run Windows 10 Pro but you can simply turn off activity history and set your diagnostic settings to basic. Now your non-anonymous data won't be sent to MS (unless they are secret…

If you think your 3 points cover privacy for Windows 10, you are grossly underestimating the extent of the problem, and have no idea what you are talking about. It's not even possible to outline in a comment twice as long as yours how to go about configuring Windows 10 to prefer privacy.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by flukus »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #28

The recent MS behavior is baffling, like one suffering multiple personality disorder. Policies both customer-friendly and actively hostile at the same time. Leadership really needs to get everyone "on the same page" (groan) and decide if they want to stick with being evil or not.

> The recent MS behavior is baffling, like one suffering multiple personality disorder.

It's not baffling, open source was a threat. OSS tools frequently have second rate windows support so it was a threat to windows servers, mssql and possibly they're desktop. They don't wont to not work in their ecosystem.

They build OSS tools where they're own products always have first class support to ensure their relevance, not out of any sort of goodwill.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by huxflux »

neves wrote: post #26

I try to use the buggy Windows 10 Microsoft family screen time features to control how my children use the computer. Unfortunately it is a global configuration. I must also allow Microsoft to collect my data.

2018 - when convenience conquered piracy.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by lurker_primo »

exodust wrote: post #114
amatecha wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I just helped someone set up a new Win 10 laptop and I felt so bad for them with how unintuitive and instrusive of a process it was. It pushes you towards making/using an online Microsoft account, and making a non-internet account on the computer is a tiny text button (no outline, just text) which NO computer novice is going to know. Can only guess how many users have their online identity now permanently linke…

I'm about to set up a new PC for a relative with Win 10 Home, parts have just arrived. Any advice on set up procedures or things I can do to keep Microsoft from spying on them and collecting their data? Or is it just not possible any more? Surely I can install the OS without creating a MS account? My intention is to disable all the nags, bloat and advertising bullying, leaving only an essential OS that doesn't bully…

You can have an offline account which is not connected to a microsoft account in any way. They try to force you to connect a microsoft account. There are scripts that disable all telemetry - reddit.com/r/tronscript is a good resource. The issue is that we don't know when Microsoft turns it back on.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Post by huxflux »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #24
anvandare wrote: post #22

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But think about all the cool contributions they're making to open source! They've really changed their ways! Microsoft is indeed, Evil. Not evil as in mustache-twirling damsel-on-track-laying villain, but evil as in how cancer or ebola is evil. Those who place their trust in that (or any other) company deserve what they will (inevitably) get. It's not that have malicious intent. I don't think about the countless numb…

They're just a cursed company. Their culture is so disconnected from what users want that they're incapable of ever making a good product. Nothing will ever change within them, no matter how many times they remind us that they Love Open Source.

Dec 3: Microsoft becomes the world's biggest company, moving ahead of Apple.
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