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Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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Another nail in the coffin of MS telemetry apologists. Really, MS is freaking evil when it comes to this stuff. Wonder which asshole greenlighted this huge telemetry push. Must have been sanctioned from the very top.

If you don't like, just don't use.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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post #8

Another nail in the coffin of MS telemetry apologists. Really, MS is freaking evil when it comes to this stuff. Wonder which asshole greenlighted this huge telemetry push. Must have been sanctioned from the very top.

But think about all the cool contributions they're making to open source! They've really changed their ways!

Microsoft is indeed, Evil. Not evil as in mustache-twirling damsel-on-track-laying villain, but evil as in how cancer or ebola is evil. Those who place their trust in that (or any other) company deserve what they will (inevitably) get. It's not that have malicious intent. I don't think about the countless numbers of microbes that my body destroys everyday either.

It's just, you know, Business™: Humans are resources, and resources are to be used.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

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As far as everything on the internet tells me, GDPR was made for exactly this reason, to prevent this kind of data collecting without the users consent. But what is happening instead is that small companies, starrups, etc. are getting fucked over by the sheer amount of "rules" they have to follow and implement while large companies can get away with collecting everything and anything, leaking personal user data all o…

Do you have or plan to have a product?

What data are you collecting and do you share/sell it?

Do you collect more then you need? If yes why and is it hard to provide the option to the user not to collect non essential data ?

What part of GDPR is the one that is giving you a lot of work and you think is a disadvante for a small startup? If the answer is that I want to move fast and not think about securing the data, making it easy to delete etc then moving fast is not an excuse, you should secure the data from the start, follow the laws when the data is leaked etc

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

#24
post #8

Another nail in the coffin of MS telemetry apologists. Really, MS is freaking evil when it comes to this stuff. Wonder which asshole greenlighted this huge telemetry push. Must have been sanctioned from the very top.

But think about all the cool contributions they're making to open source! They've really changed their ways! Microsoft is indeed, Evil. Not evil as in mustache-twirling damsel-on-track-laying villain, but evil as in how cancer or ebola is evil. Those who place their trust in that (or any other) company deserve what they will (inevitably) get. It's not that have malicious intent. I don't think about the countless numb…

They're just a cursed company. Their culture is so disconnected from what users want that they're incapable of ever making a good product. Nothing will ever change within them, no matter how many times they remind us that they Love Open Source.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

#25
post #8

Another nail in the coffin of MS telemetry apologists. Really, MS is freaking evil when it comes to this stuff. Wonder which asshole greenlighted this huge telemetry push. Must have been sanctioned from the very top.

If you don't like, just don't use.

Indeed!

Typing this response from my Debian Testing system. I'm needing Windows less and less. Now that I can run Elite: Dangerous using WINE, I don't even need Windows around as a game OS. I can develop my applications in the Debian system and if needed I can boot a Windows 7 or 8 VM to produce a Windows distribution of said application (Python, PySide, Qt).

Basically, everything I need to do I can do whilst not booted into Windows. I'll keep that Windows 10 partition handy to boot, just in case. Otherwise, I'm free from its shackles.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

#27
post #8

Another nail in the coffin of MS telemetry apologists. Really, MS is freaking evil when it comes to this stuff. Wonder which asshole greenlighted this huge telemetry push. Must have been sanctioned from the very top.

If you don't like, just don't use.

I think we’ve passed the point of simple choice for a lot of technologies now. If you expect people to stop using X, you need solutions to stop using ecosystems Y and Z, plus convince them to retrain and probably repurchase some apps.

And I somehow doubt this is considered in monopoly situations: we’re not just talking one product.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

#28
The recent MS behavior is baffling, like one suffering multiple personality disorder. Policies both customer-friendly and actively hostile at the same time. Leadership really needs to get everyone "on the same page" (groan) and decide if they want to stick with being evil or not.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't like, just don't use.

Indeed! Typing this response from my Debian Testing system. I'm needing Windows less and less. Now that I can run Elite: Dangerous using WINE, I don't even need Windows around as a game OS. I can develop my applications in the Debian system and if needed I can boot a Windows 7 or 8 VM to produce a Windows distribution of said application (Python, PySide, Qt). Basically, everything I need to do I can do whilst not boo…

I agree. I'm on Linux and BSD now for good. The fact that MS bought GitHub was alarming enough. Their desire to get involved with Free/Libre/Open Source has an agenda. I don't think it's as innocent as it appears.

Re: Is Windows 10 still telling what you're doing even if you don't want it to?

#30
I don't get it. This article and Reddit post is very misguided.

Why are people upset that you're sending data to Microsoft if you enable the settings in Windows that specifically allow Microsoft to collect this data?

Maybe I'm biased since I run Windows 10 Pro but you can simply turn off activity history and set your diagnostic settings to basic. Now your non-anonymous data won't be sent to MS (unless they are secretly sending it against your will which is a totally different topic than this article).

I don't even have a "privacy dashboard" that this article and the Reddit post speaks of because I log into Windows with a local Windows username, not a Microsoft Live account. If you're concerned about privacy, why would you login to your OS using a Microsoft Live account?

This really sounds like people using the default settings without looking into protecting their privacy then saying Windows is evil because they didn't check into the settings of their operating system.

In other words:

1. Use a local Windows login, not MS Live

2. Set your diagnostic data to basic

3. Disable activity history

Also as a bonus step, if a big content update happens in the future and it introduces features that sounds like it's an invitation to be spied on, double check your settings after patching to make sure they're disabled.

It is lame that telemetry exists in the first place, and don't get me wrong, I hate things like being forced to patch / reboot for MS updates but if you volunteer to use Windows, it's the price we have to pay for the time being.

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