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Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everything as NSFW

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Post by pndy »

This "article" was clearly done only to gain page views using the ongoing tumblr topic regarding adult content removal. The implication that company decision was done to oppress the LGBT community by algorithm automated actions is ridiculously sad but again, helps pumping the hype and virtual anger. Author didn't take the effort of thinking about possible reasons why algorithm works around NSFW content in such way but instead already judged that tumblr is going after LGBT (+ whatever else comes in that string of characters; I couldn't care less - it's enough that I'm somehow a part of that community but it's like with least liked family member - you really don't wanna see it or interact with) community and we should all care because this is an "problematic" issue. The victim card is being placed on the table.

After seeing around what topics the author revolves the overall tone of this "journalism" example is not surprising.

I did back-up my tumblr, I'm waiting for reliable platform to emerge where I could post cat pictures, funny and not always politically correct images and whatever else.

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Post by gmmeyer »

thetricia wrote: post #104
soundwave106 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I more tend to agree with this article ( https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/18/tumblr-is-not-what-you-thi... ) that a big part of the appeal of Tumblr was a bit more the opposite of this: Tumblr could act as a personal microblog of sorts, where you could put up a page that wasn't very easily discoverable, and share with a few friends interests and memes that you didn't want to necessarily broadcast to the world…

I'm not a big fan of this meme of porn being bigger than what it is. Tumblr was never about that and Snapchat wasn't and isn't a sexting app. The adult content that showed up was pretty annoying, especially on some tags that were seemingly less censored. Like, most LGBT tags were clean, but some would have a lot for whatever reason. I'd welcome the change back then (which was around acquisition time). But even then i…

Last time Tumblr broke out the numbers porn was 11% of the biggest blogs. More than 1 out of 10 blogs is a porn blog. That's a huge portion of their user base and will likely cause it to totally crash.

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Post by shaklee3 »

pixl97 wrote: post #116
shaklee3 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind Reddit users also predicted the death of Reddit during the pao/banning fiasco. It's only grown since then.

Grown != profiting.

That's not the point. People predicted a mass exodus of users, and it didn't happen. Whether they're profitable or not is different.

Conversely, you business can shrink and profits can go up if you make more money per user. This thread was only about users.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

newen wrote: post #109
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? That's a huge stretch. Prostitution, for one, has been common in pretty much every culture throughout history, so I don't know what you think we're "degrading" from.

Are we just going to pretend that christian morality (in the general sense) doesn't exist and lots of people don't follow that morality? I don't see how that's a stretch unless you pretend that the morality of whole swathes of people are not valid because you have another set of morals. It's not a huge stretch at all.

Millions of people believing something does not automatically make that thing correct.

"Prostitution is a sign of the degradation of society" is a claim that requires evidence. I'm happy to hear whatever evidence you have. "Lots of other people think so" is not evidence.

Given that prostitution has existed in pretty much every historical culture we've been able to study, I'd like to know when and where the society that they all degraded from can be found.

(Incidentally, there's plenty of historical pornography as well, dating back at least to Rome IIRC, although of course it didn't really blow up until photographic reproduction became cheap and easy.)

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Post by ryacko »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #124
newen wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we just going to pretend that christian morality (in the general sense) doesn't exist and lots of people don't follow that morality? I don't see how that's a stretch unless you pretend that the morality of whole swathes of people are not valid because you have another set of morals. It's not a huge stretch at all.

Millions of people believing something does not automatically make that thing correct. "Prostitution is a sign of the degradation of society" is a claim that requires evidence. I'm happy to hear whatever evidence you have. "Lots of other people think so" is not evidence. Given that prostitution has existed in pretty much every historical culture we've been able to study, I'd like to know when and where the society th…

Ask a whore, is she treated kindly by all her johns? Is she respected by everyone? And are childless, unmarried women depressed and unwanted?

Migrant labor is not a sign of degradation either, but it leads to many to disrespect others in increasing fashions, where men are more likely to abuse their power over others.

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Post by razakel »

justtopost wrote: post #91
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit seem to be mainstreaming to some extent, nowhere near this though - perhaps they're navigating a better line?

Idk, I was no longer an active user when they did their user hostile redesign after lots of internal political struggle between conde nast and the volunteer mods that actually run the site. But sweet baby jesus is it bad now. While I used to drop by when linked in a relevant search query, i now know Ill just get a nagware screen and skip it altoghether. Yeah, I know I can switch to desktop mode and reload, but no tha…

>Yeah, I know I can switch to desktop mode and reload, but no thanks, I already got your message to me loud and clear.

When a third-party developer can make a more user-friendly and less crash-prone app than your official one, it might be worth considering that maybe your official app sucks.

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Post by Waterluvian »

netcan wrote: post #101

"it’s often hard to see why LGBTQ content gets flagged as NSFW – although the underlying reason is, of course, homophobia and transphobia.* I think you need to start with the impossible, define porn/nsfw. Why is lingerie provacative and bikinis aren't? Why is nudity even a problem? Why nipples and not elbows... Ultimately, this stuff is the very definition of subjective... something that is entirely determined by per…

When I was a teen my favourite joke was, "people with foot fetishes are lucky. To them, every beach is a nude beach."

Really does apply here. It's increasingly absurd to define what's sexually explicit as our society becomes increasingly liberal about our sexuality.

It was easier back when there was a very narrow definition of heterosexuality, leaving everything else to be homosexuality and/or some form of "perversion". We're basically dealing with the propagation of those attitudes forwards through time.

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Post by cabalamat »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #99
cabalamat wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and Mastodon, ActivityPub and IPFS are examples of the sort of thing I have in mind. Also the decentralised flood-fill model of Usenet.

Can you tell me what you mean by flood-fill ? I'm looking at different strategies for sync'ing activity between domains, and ActivityPub / IPFS seem like a lot of conceptual overhead. I'd rather just rsync directories on my friends' servers.

> Can you tell me what you mean by flood-fill?

OK, imagine a load of servers. Each is connected to some (not all) of the others, and they all peer messages to each other.

     A -- B -- C -- D
          |    |
          E -- F -- H
          |
          G -- I
A message M is sent to one (say A). B asks A "have you got any new messages?" (or it might be A pushes them onto B) and A replies with M.

From B, M is sent to C and E. From E it is sent to F and G. Eventually it gets to all the servers on the network.

I envisage that each message would have a unique ID consisting of a cryptographic hash of its contents and timestamp.

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Post by cabalamat »

rspeer wrote: post #105
cabalamat wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and Mastodon, ActivityPub and IPFS are examples of the sort of thing I have in mind. Also the decentralised flood-fill model of Usenet.

You can't move between Mastodon instances and keep your followers.

I'm envisaging something like mastodon, not something that is mastodon.
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