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Post by xte »

newen wrote: post #59
xte wrote: post #9

I do never used Tumblr but AFAICT porn is the most common contents, so i bet the major source of revenue... BTW the neovittorian movement against sex in general (disguised in many form to health things, anti-pornography for pedagogic things, anti-prostitution because of racket, ...) it's a clear sign of our degradation as society.

Why? It's not exactly a stretch to day that pornography and prostitution are clear signs of the degradation of a society.

Maybe, but we know well that prohibitionist does not work, instead generate worst things. We also know that "sexual abstinence" as "pushed" in some USA are result in a certainly RISE of STM and unwanted juvenile pregnancy then other area and especially other country in witch sexuality is normal part of school's programs...

The point is that sexuality is a natural part of our life so IMO we have to free is as much as we can instead of trying the classic Victorian style. The same is for alcohol, drugs (both legal and illegal), ...

Only switching from a somewhat sexual repressed country like Italy to more free countries like Sweden before, French now I see a big improvement in mean people satisfactions and awareness, Italian's watch far more porn and goes far more with prostitutes than Frenches or Swedish, just as an example.

I see child being different in more free countries than in others, for instance in Italy and UK I see children that are in medium like earthquakes, in Sweden and French they are far more calm again in medium but in Italy and UK parent's "watch and supervise" far more their children than Sweden or France.

long story short, use education, culture, not stick nor carrots to build a better world.

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Post by shaklee3 »

superkuh wrote: post #79
shaklee3 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind Reddit users also predicted the death of Reddit during the pao/banning fiasco. It's only grown since then.

False. That was the beginning of the end. https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/reddit.com

Your link only goes back to the beginning of 2018. Pao left in 2015.and your link is comparing overall rankings of websites. That in no way tells you anything about redditt's traffic growth.

https://www.statista.com/chart/11882/number-of-subreddits-on...

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Post by ineedasername »

xte wrote: post #9

I do never used Tumblr but AFAICT porn is the most common contents, so i bet the major source of revenue... BTW the neovittorian movement against sex in general (disguised in many form to health things, anti-pornography for pedagogic things, anti-prostitution because of racket, ...) it's a clear sign of our degradation as society.

I'm not sure it's a degradation of society. I think it's unhealthy, but the original Victorian era taboos didn't result in a degradation of society. In fact it appears to have given rise to something of a backlash against that kind of thinking culminating in the roaring 20's. Then the depression hit, and WWII, and in the aftermath of WWII female empowerment (women in the industrial workplace) there was a backlash movement against women to "put them back" in the home. But then the counter backlash of the 60's and 70's hit. We've spent the last ~120 years swinging the pendulum back and forth, I'm not sure this is anything else but a part of that same pattern.

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Post by mkane848 »

mcv wrote: post #37
rsynnott wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... Wait, what do you think PC _means_?

I'm not sure anyone knows what PC means anymore.

I mean, it's been pretty much the same if you ignore all of the people going "LMAO IM AN ATTACK HELICOPTER" and the like whenever anyone even mentions a social issue

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Post by criddell »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #72
criddell wrote: post #67

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Is there an example where a centralized commercial service was successfully replaced by a more open, federated service?

The electronic mail that came before SMTP would be a good example.

Email is a good example and somebody else mentioned the web in general.

I think the big difference there is that there are game changing advantages to end users being able to send email anywhere and to access all of the web rather than what was essentially one web site.

Federating Tumblr (and Twitter with Mastodon) seems like a lateral move at best. The worst case is that it makes it harder to use and so it might even be a step backwards.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

newen wrote: post #59
xte wrote: post #9

I do never used Tumblr but AFAICT porn is the most common contents, so i bet the major source of revenue... BTW the neovittorian movement against sex in general (disguised in many form to health things, anti-pornography for pedagogic things, anti-prostitution because of racket, ...) it's a clear sign of our degradation as society.

Why? It's not exactly a stretch to day that pornography and prostitution are clear signs of the degradation of a society.

What? That's a huge stretch. Prostitution, for one, has been common in pretty much every culture throughout history, so I don't know what you think we're "degrading" from.

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Post by soundwave106 »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #70
jamesholden wrote: post #55

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- Fire everyone who thought NSFW material had to be purged from your platform. I mean, can't they see that a lot of traffic flows through tumblr via those interests? Do they not know how much of a loss of usage that this will cause? I legitimately have zero other reason to use tumblr.

On the contrary, it's probably a small part of their service. The nature of Tumblr is to make it easy to find like minded people, and construct a subset of the site that's full of what you're into. So it's very easy to feel "Tumblr is all left-wing teens" or "Tumblr is all porn" depending on what you go looking for. But Tumblr is a galaxy of niches and I doubt porn was their mainstay. This fact probably caused them t…

Actually, I more tend to agree with this article (https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/18/tumblr-is-not-what-you-thi...) that a big part of the appeal of Tumblr was a bit more the opposite of this: Tumblr could act as a personal microblog of sorts, where you could put up a page that wasn't very easily discoverable, and share with a few friends interests and memes that you didn't want to necessarily broadcast to the world in full Facebook fashion. That includes people's porn stashes, as well as NSFW kinks and other quirks. Other stuff too (memes etc.), but the NSFW was a significant part of Tumblr.

Furthermore, my impression of Tumblr was that it had quite a bit of artists. Most artist-oriented platforms have policies that aim at banning the more overt commercial pornography, while allowing artistic nudity or erotica with appropriate tags (see DeviantArt, Vimeo, etc.) I was actually quite surprised that Tumblr didn't try this route at first to be honest. From what I can tell the "adult content ban" Tumblr implemented is way overly broad-based, not to mention very US-moral attitude centric (eg "female presenting nipples" is less of a big deal in many countries).

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Post by coldtea »

coldtea wrote: post #39

Tumblr is truly dead without NSFW stuff. Nobody cares for anything else in it (except you and 10 others, outlier, to pre-empt your reaction).

Not sure what's the controversy here. Here's a Medium post on the same idea: https://medium.com/futuresin/tumblrs-porn-ban-could-kill-it-...

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Post by JulianMorrison »

soundwave106 wrote: post #87
JulianMorrison wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, it's probably a small part of their service. The nature of Tumblr is to make it easy to find like minded people, and construct a subset of the site that's full of what you're into. So it's very easy to feel "Tumblr is all left-wing teens" or "Tumblr is all porn" depending on what you go looking for. But Tumblr is a galaxy of niches and I doubt porn was their mainstay. This fact probably caused them t…

Actually, I more tend to agree with this article ( https://techcrunch.com/2013/02/18/tumblr-is-not-what-you-thi... ) that a big part of the appeal of Tumblr was a bit more the opposite of this: Tumblr could act as a personal microblog of sorts, where you could put up a page that wasn't very easily discoverable, and share with a few friends interests and memes that you didn't want to necessarily broadcast to the world…

The way you find content in Tumblr is (1) you somehow find one example of the type, perhaps from an outside link or a search, (2) you click the content and find who liked it, (3) you go to each of their blogs and if it has content you're into, you follow it. Iterate until you've connected to the entire like-minded community.

This is why I described it as a galaxy of niches. It provides a sort of discoverable obscurity that makes connecting to signal rather than noise rather easy.

It's also what makes it hard to see beyond your own niche if you don't actually own the servers.

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