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Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by augbog » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 9:01 PM UTC

bb010g wrote: post #110

augbog wrote: post #89

Don't worry Microsoft has their own fork of lerna anyways lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17214257

…did you read through the issue [1] linked in the first comment there? Nobody could actually find evidence that Rush was a fork. Thanks for bringing up a libre Lerna alternative, though. [1]: https://github.com/Microsoft/web-build-tools/issues/673

For people who missed it, Microsoft didn't actually fork Lerna and potentially copy-pasted the code.

https://twitter.com/jamiebuilds/status/1002696931527700481

And quite honestly yeah I read that Github issue. Hard for me to believe they would just be like "OH YEAH WE COPIED SORRY ABOUT THAT!"

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by hokumguru » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 9:27 PM UTC

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #88

DubiousPusher wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know a good resource but I think it largely comes down to how you see someone who commits a crime or breaks a rule. People on the right tend to see everyone as capable of following all the rules. To break them is a clear choice which has consequences. People who break the law or rules suffer from a character flaw. If a lot of people are breaking the law or a rule then there is some moral breakdown in society…

That's a great articulation of one way to view the issue, thanks! I'd love to hear from people across the political spectrum as to whether or not your model seems accurate w.r.t. their own personal views on the subject. I.e., not whether or not they think your model accurately describes the people with whom they disagree on this topic. Just whether or not they feel it accurately captures their own view.

I personally find myself quite right-leaning in my beliefs and I find this explanation to be quite on point. I however might add, for specificity's sake, the ideas of optimism/cynicism on either side of the political spectrum - specifically, how we view the fundamental nature of humans. In my experience people on the right tend to be much more skeptical and cynical of human nature while people on the left tend to be more trusting of humans. We see these beliefs expressed in our political parties as well.

Conservatives tend to believe more in personal freedoms as, according to their knowledge of human-nature, they cannot feasibly trust other people - most especially the federal government.

In the same vein liberals tend to work more towards social programs and "the greater good" because their knowledge of human nature says that humans are fundamentally good and should deserve another chance.

I believe the view of human nature to be the most fundamental reduction of modern politics - OP's interpretation of laws coincides with this.

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by LordHumungous » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 9:30 PM UTC

village-idiot wrote: post #119

LordHumungous wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm getting tired of being called a bigot for disagreeing with other people on complex policy issues.

If you think marriage equality is a “complex policy issue”, then the issue is you. The other examples listed are not exactly good hills to die on if you want to be perceived as a serious thinker rather than a knee jerk bigot. Beyond that, if you find youself personally getting called a bigot a lot, you should probably stop and reflect more.

Really? So if I believe that our border should be secured and non-porous, I'm just a bigot?

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by rotred » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 9:36 PM UTC

augbog wrote: post #121

bb010g wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

…did you read through the issue [1] linked in the first comment there? Nobody could actually find evidence that Rush was a fork. Thanks for bringing up a libre Lerna alternative, though. [1]: https://github.com/Microsoft/web-build-tools/issues/673

For people who missed it, Microsoft didn't actually fork Lerna and potentially copy-pasted the code. https://twitter.com/jamiebuilds/status/1002696931527700481 And quite honestly yeah I read that Github issue. Hard for me to believe they would just be like "OH YEAH WE COPIED SORRY ABOUT THAT!"

> 30 separate tweets in a row trying to explain something

Twitter is definitely not a good platform for something like this

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by mindcrash » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 9:45 PM UTC

Waterluvian wrote: post #43

I use BlueprintJS a lot. And about a year into use I realised that "Palantir" is apparently a company people don't like. All I could think about is how this might become a nuisance if a colleague or customer decides they're going to be political about it. These moves are frustrating. I just want to make neat stuff. I don't want to get involved in the politics of a country I have no interest in.

Well the sad thing about this is that Palantir is actually doing some very good things with Lerna, Babel and Yarn and they tried to explain that...

...BUT SOME PEOPLE ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MIND AND JUST REFUSE TO LISTEN TO ANY REASON.

Do you want to hear what Palantir is ACTUALLY doing using these tools? Here you go:

"[...]We appreciate your concerns based on the article you linked to. We would like to clarify that Palantir's contracts are with Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), the ICE directorate responsible for investigating serious transnational criminal activity such as human trafficking, child exploitation, and counter-terrorism as opposed to the activities theorized in the article. We're happy to discuss your concerns in person if you're interested, please get in touch."

https://github.com/palantir/blueprint/issues/2870

TL;DR: Palantir is helping the HSI unit within ICE to FIGHT CHILD ABUSE, STOP HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND STOP TERRORISM.

Now can anyone explain to me what is so terribly wrong and evil about THAT? Anyone???

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by village-idiot » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 9:59 PM UTC

LordHumungous wrote: post #123

village-idiot wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think marriage equality is a “complex policy issue”, then the issue is you. The other examples listed are not exactly good hills to die on if you want to be perceived as a serious thinker rather than a knee jerk bigot. Beyond that, if you find youself personally getting called a bigot a lot, you should probably stop and reflect more.

Really? So if I believe that our border should be secured and non-porous, I'm just a bigot?

Nice non sequitor.

Maybe ignoring context and throwing out accusations wildly is why you get so much push back? People don’t really like that, you know.

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by javver » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 10:31 PM UTC

nerdponx wrote: post #25

It's a nice idea. But I still pay taxes in the US. Does that make me an ICE collaborator?

There is likely a difference to be made between willing and unwilling collaborators. The companies in the list don't face fines and jail time for not having contracts with ICE.

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by jymbo » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 10:57 PM UTC

So I heard ICE forked lerna...

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by jymbo » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 11:08 PM UTC

chomp wrote: post #109

dplgk wrote: post #94

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Is it politics when human rights are violated? I don't think it's "politics" to oppose children separated from their parents.

I fully support peoples' efforts to protest the current US administration, and any other administration. I don't support usurping other people's speech to push protests. Copyleft is a wonderful thing, but we have to treat it with respect and play by the rules, else we risk diluting its legal potency. If this was a single maintainer, or a project that got the rest of its developers to agree on the sublicense, then tha…

It's not copyleft, it's copyme

Re: Lerna relicences to protest ICE

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Post by LordHumungous » Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 11:10 PM UTC

village-idiot wrote: post #126

LordHumungous wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? So if I believe that our border should be secured and non-porous, I'm just a bigot?

Nice non sequitor. Maybe ignoring context and throwing out accusations wildly is why you get so much push back? People don’t really like that, you know.

> throwing out accusations wildly

I read someone else in this thread saying that "anyone who opposes undocumented immigration" is doing so because they are racist. Nice projection though.