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Re: A Blockchain Analysis of the July 13th Mueller Indictment

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Post by throwaway5752 »

craigc wrote: post #99
throwaway5752 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/346468-why-the-lates... Your point two is is based on an embarrassingly incorrect assumption.

I wouldn’t say it is embarrassingly incorrect. Nothing in that article proves that the report I referenced is not a possibility. I agree it makes it less likely because the files could have been copied multiple times which could change the metadata, but that doesn’t prove definitively that they were.

I would. I would go further and say it is reputation-threatening (if not ending), mortifyingly embarassing for the members of VIPS that wrote and signed off on the memo. If you had hacked a well-protected target, would you go in directly through your origin? There were probably dozens of hops, some of which may have been fairly indirectly. I doubt they leaked it directly, too.

Re: A Blockchain Analysis of the July 13th Mueller Indictment

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Post by nutjob2 »

dominotw wrote: post #21
nutjob2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not counterpoint, it's just typical right wing propaganda.

why is right full of 'typical' propaganda while left is honest ppl with verifiable facts. seems curious

Becuase it's got nothing to do with left or right, just true or false.

The left just seems to value the truth more than the right. That is being vividly illustrated by our current president.

Re: A Blockchain Analysis of the July 13th Mueller Indictment

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Post by craigc »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #121
craigc wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t say it is embarrassingly incorrect. Nothing in that article proves that the report I referenced is not a possibility. I agree it makes it less likely because the files could have been copied multiple times which could change the metadata, but that doesn’t prove definitively that they were.

I would. I would go further and say it is reputation-threatening (if not ending), mortifyingly embarassing for the members of VIPS that wrote and signed off on the memo. If you had hacked a well-protected target, would you go in directly through your origin ? There were probably dozens of hops, some of which may have been fairly indirectly. I doubt they leaked it directly, too.

I agree, but if you had financed the operation with Bitcoin would you have left a trail of hundreds of emails specifying each Bitcoin transaction and what they were used for like the indictment claims?

Only saying that if they were dumb enough to do that they may have been dumb enough to go directly too.

Re: A Blockchain Analysis of the July 13th Mueller Indictment

#124

Post by throwaway5752 »

craigc wrote: post #123
throwaway5752 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would. I would go further and say it is reputation-threatening (if not ending), mortifyingly embarassing for the members of VIPS that wrote and signed off on the memo. If you had hacked a well-protected target, would you go in directly through your origin ? There were probably dozens of hops, some of which may have been fairly indirectly. I doubt they leaked it directly, too.

I agree, but if you had financed the operation with Bitcoin would you have left a trail of hundreds of emails specifying each Bitcoin transaction and what they were used for like the indictment claims? Only saying that if they were dumb enough to do that they may have been dumb enough to go directly too.

"left a trail of hundreds of emails specifying each Bitcoin transaction"

Show me where in the indictment it talks about that? I only saw a reference to a much smaller number of emails.

Re: A Blockchain Analysis of the July 13th Mueller Indictment

#125

Post by dominotw »

nutjob2 wrote: post #122
dominotw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why is right full of 'typical' propaganda while left is honest ppl with verifiable facts. seems curious

Becuase it's got nothing to do with left or right, just true or false. The left just seems to value the truth more than the right. That is being vividly illustrated by our current president.

>it's got nothing to do with left or right

> left just seems to value the truth more than the right.

huh?

Re: A Blockchain Analysis of the July 13th Mueller Indictment

#126

Post by rhizome »

craigc wrote: post #99
throwaway5752 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/346468-why-the-lates... Your point two is is based on an embarrassingly incorrect assumption.

I wouldn’t say it is embarrassingly incorrect. Nothing in that article proves that the report I referenced is not a possibility. I agree it makes it less likely because the files could have been copied multiple times which could change the metadata, but that doesn’t prove definitively that they were.

Nothing in that article proves that the report I referenced is not a possibility.

Right, because you can't prove a negative.

Re: A Blockchain Analysis of the July 13th Mueller Indictment

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Post by downandout »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #120
downandout wrote: post #52

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The only problem is there is no way to prove that that address actually belongs to the GRU. They don't have to. This case isn't going to trial; it was basically a PR stunt. It wouldn't survive a trial. The strategy is simple: Indict a bunch of people that you cannot extradite, and you get a PR win with just some broad strokes and have to prove nothing. You get to keep your unlimited budget to continue the investigati…

Assets can be frozen. Their travel to countries who do extradite will be restricted. And evidence for levying sanctions has been produced by the executive and judicial branches, providing the legislative branch cover. These charges are far from pointless.

Your reply is off topic. What does any of that have to do with the point of my comment? My point was that the indictment appears flimsy because prosecutors knew that they would never actually have to prove these charges beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. There is a reason that every single person indicted here happens to be beyond the reach of the US government. If you know that you will never have to try the case, you can make all the accusations you think are reasonable (even if you know you cannot prove them) and then drop the charges you can’t prove much later if one of these guys ever actually did wind up in custody (which is extremely unlikely).

Re: A Blockchain Analysis of the July 13th Mueller Indictment

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Post by darpa_escapee »

topmonk wrote: post #88
darpa_escapee wrote: post #51

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> If you pick some up anonymously, That's quite the premise. For the layperson, there are very few ways to come across Bitcoin anonymously.

Mine it

Laypeople don't mine Bitcoin.
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