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Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by rightos »

lloydsparkes wrote: post #38

I am reading through the complaints, The first one: https://noyb.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/complaint-android... The User sets up a "new" (non Google) phone, and isn't given an option to decline consent to Googles ToS. Now how does this work with a physical product? It needs to be compliant on the 25th of May 2018, but the version of Android may be old and not updated (given its Android). Even if there was an upda…

I'm pretty sure that's incorrect at least today, it's possible to skip through the initial setup on a stock Android device without adding a Google account or accepting a ToS.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

kowdermeister wrote: post #67
lloydsparkes wrote: post #38

I am reading through the complaints, The first one: https://noyb.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/complaint-android... The User sets up a "new" (non Google) phone, and isn't given an option to decline consent to Googles ToS. Now how does this work with a physical product? It needs to be compliant on the 25th of May 2018, but the version of Android may be old and not updated (given its Android). Even if there was an upda…

> and isn't given an option to decline consent to Googles ToS You can turn off the phone and sell it on Ebay

If you live in the USA. However, as an European you have more rights, and in the next years we will witness a lot of battles between EU users and American corporations desperately trying to maintain the old status quo.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by dx034 »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #99
dx034 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data belongs to the user. There's nothing Facebook can do to prevent exporting if it's via the data backup. They can just design it in a way that is easy to read by humans but very challenging for parsers.

>They can just design it in a way that is easy to read by humans but very challenging for parsers. This is explicitly forbidden in article 20.1

Machine readable only means no images. You can still structure it in a way that it's a pain to import. Or use changing structures. Definitely violates the spirit of the law but don't think Facebook cares about that.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by xxs »

dmortin wrote: post #95
henrikschroder wrote: post #87

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Sign me up! The sad truth though is that the users who are most likely to pay to get rid of ads, are also the users that are most valuable to advertisers, because that's a signal they have more money to spend than the rest.

What if they say it's $20 a month? And it's just facebook. Google also asks for $20, Reddit too, etc. It won't be cheap.

So you are stipulating an account worth is 240USD a year at facebook? Instead of 20, why won't you say 100, make it round.

Seriously though, behemoths do fall and if facebook ceases to exist there will be no harm but good in my book.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by tomrod »

salvar wrote: post #54
tomrod wrote: post #20

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The law explicitly said "within hours of taking effect, these specific companies are to be sued due to not preparing sufficiently for GDPR"?

What a refreshingly honest question.

I know it seems like a stupid question, but I wanted to make sure I understood the parent commenter's point.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by ptaipale »

xxs wrote: post #76
Oras wrote: post #11

It's about time to see no-win no-fee services to file a complaint against companies for GDPR breach. How long will it take?

The proceeding would be undertaken by the state and the companies might be fined.

All in all, GDPR reminds me of how legislation and regulation was constructed in USSR and now in Russia.

The rules are such that it is practically impossibly to comply; it is then left to the powers-that-be to decide which ones of those in breach are investigated and prosecuted.

It's the perfect setup for arbitrary and selective application of justice system to attack political opponents, dissidents etc.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by kisstheblade »

Absoultely every site that has had a new GDPR warning is just the same as the old cookie banner. "By using the site you agree..." Some have updated privacy pages which describes how you can delete or deny cookies... An absolute joke, nobody is following the law.

It should be simple. A new banner that asks "allow tracking", yes, no. Either option allows you to use the site freely.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by Ygg2 »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #81
tomrod wrote: post #8

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Yeah, but the law of unintended consequences is sure to apply. The GDPR hits adtech companies fundamentally.

> The GDPR hits adtech companies fundamentally. Hopefully...

I'm not holding my breath. To paraphrase Jurassic Park "Money finds a way".

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by ldjb »

madez wrote: post #111
ldjb wrote: post #77

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Possibly, but it still might not be possible for Google to provide a means to decline the ToS without issuing an update (which, as has been pointed out, wouldn't be possible to install anyway without accepting the ToS).

Then it's a device that does not comply the regulation and must not be sold.

Sure, that argument could certainly be made. But unless someone is taken to court over this (or at the very least, threats are made), I think people will continue selling such phones. After all, most sellers aren't going to realise their products are in violation of the law.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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Post by simias »

dmortin wrote: post #100
belorn wrote: post #90

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Yes, but when that point hits hard enough maybe people will stop saying "Why do you not use Facebook/Gmail, it is free". Now someone can actually try and compete with a free service. It might not work but its a step closer to happening. For example we have had open source federated social networks, and non-profits that ran email services.

That other free service also encounters the same dilemma. They have to pay for the site, so either they take your data or make you pay.

You can have ads without tracking. But frankly I'm 100% happy if you actually have a choice of "give your data or pay". It's a massive improvement over "give your data or don't use the service" or "give your data and pay" which is what we have today.
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