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Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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What advantages does this have over something like OpenVPN Road Warrior installer? https://github.com/Nyr/openvpn-install

Native support for devices running iOS and MacOS (and others), no need to install a third party client.

From the PR it looks like only Android has Wireguard support, or does iOS have it as well?

Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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Such site should be illegal. I find it extraordinary that government lets private company record such sensitive information.

Now tell me how you feel about US credit rating agencies, which were started by former FBI agents after the FBI was restricted from keeping dossiers without cause.

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Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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The pricing on this seems out of line with other VPN providers unless I'm missing something. $12-14/month = $144/year give or take. Even if they do a "2 months free if you pay annually" it's still $120/year while something like privateinternetaccess is $7/mo, $40/year or $70/2 years. Unfortunately the vpnhub site appears to have been hammered into the ground as of time of posting.

Or you could just rent the cheapest cloud server you can find and install a VPN daemon on it. Scaleway is 2€/mo. The smallest AWS spot instances are comparable in price but more of a hassle.

I could also just set up my home router so I could VPN to it then back out from there.

However, I'm just as happy paying someone a nominal amount for convenience. It's the same reason I don't tend to spin up my own servers for basic web hosting - there are people who do that and who keep track of security updates affecting their specific systems, and for a small amount of money per month I don't have to worry about it.

Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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To bring up just one thing that doesn't have to do with trustworthiness: If you let an employee onto a 3rd party VPN you open yourself up to a whole new vector of attacks that you can't prevent. And then there's the problem with allowing unrestricted, unmonitored Internet access with regards to auditing and establishing a timeline of events if you ever need to do so.

What attacks are opened by a VPN that aren't open to an ISP or the local coffee shop?

I'm not referencing MITM attacks...

You can visit sites that aren't blacklisted on the company's network which makes it easier to social engineer you. You have less control over what stupid things your employees can do.

You're right, this wouldn't be any more dangerous than being on a coffee shop's wifi but you already don't care about network security if that's how you're working.

Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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The ID verification is done by trusted third parties. There will be no link to a name and any browsing activity on Pornhub.

The age verification is done by pornhubs own company, to think they won't use this information seems incredibly naive.

Incredibly naive? I work for Pornhub, the last thing we want to handle is PII, it brings no value and has security risks.

Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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post #34

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It's packaged and maintained by security experts, and doesn't use OpenVPN.

I see a lot of technologies being talked about that I've not heard of - what's the difference between WireGuard and StrongSwan - do they fulfil different purposes? Or did Algo use StrongSwan and now uses Wireguard?!

strongSwan is a mainstream IPSEC implementation.

OpenVPN is its own protocol, using TLS as a control channel.

WireGuard is also its own protocol, based on Noise.

strongSwan has cryptography designed in the 1990s. OpenVPN relies on TLS, which for all intents and purposes is also 15-20 years old. WireGuard is modern, with a design that comes from Signal Protocol's cryptographer.

strongSwan and OpenVPN have gigantic C codebases. WireGuard's kernel implementation is just 4500 lines of carefully designed code.

You should use WireGuard if you can.

Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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It would be so much less overhead to require adult sites and user content driven sites to simply add the RTA adult header and put the responsibility on parents to use parental control software. It looks like this: rating RTA-5042-1996-1400-1577-RTA and it can be sent via http headers, or embeded in web pages. Requiring people to register with PII is just asking for trouble.

Yeah, but that doesn't allow them to slip in authoritarianism via the backdoor.

Good point.

Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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> this service would appeal to people who want to remain anonymous to local law enforcement It doesn't make you anonymous at all. It announces: "I'm using Pornhub". > ge untapped market in eg Islamic countries Do you have any evidence of that? What's an 'Islamic country'? Is every country that you've lumped together in this category the same in regard to this issue? Is Islam even one uniform religion? > I guess it's…

It announces "I'm using VPN", nothing more. It is unclear why you are asking these questions in the first place. What is a "Christian country"? It's a country founded on predominately christian ideals. If you thought about it, I think you can come up with some countries that definitely fall under that category. Do something similar to come to a list of countries that are predominately Muslim. While they obviously wil…

> It announces "I'm using VPN", nothing more.

That is false, and it's important that VPN users are not mislead about it: Anyone with visibility into your network traffic, including your employer, your ISP, and government, knows exactly the address of the VPN you are using; they will know the address belongs to Pornhub's VPN. If you want to mitigate that risk (imperfectly), use Tor. And if you try to use both Tor and a VPN, make sure you know what you are doing or you could get it very wrong.

> What is a "Christian country"? It's a country founded on predominately christian ideals.

Most advanced countries actively eschew support of any specific religion, are overwhelmingly secular, and are founded on Enlightenment ideals such as individual liberty (including freedom of religion), limited government, and on reason and science as opposed to religion. This isn't the Middle Ages.

And certainly Christianity doesn't embrace pornography! I don't see religious leaders of any stripe advocating for it. Let's drop the absurd, hateful Christian nationalism - nationalism has a really bad track record, and is a convenient excuse to abuse and exclude others, including Muslims. For a religion founded on the compassion and love of the Gospels, it's ironic that the nationalists are the most judgmental, prejudiced, and abusive toward others - but the reality is that it's true of all nationalists.

> there is at least one that springs to mind instantly when you think "banned pornography".

I think of the UK, and almost every business' HR policy.

Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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Sort of like when Amazon entered cloud space. For PH it makes sense due to them already have infra to support it especially video streaming. The challenge with privacy VPNs is a matter of trust.

> For PH it makes sense due to them already have infra to support it especially video streaming

It is not their infrastructure.

They appear to be using this white-label service according to code in the app (verified by looking at network traffic): https://wlvpn.com/

Re: Pornhub launches VPNhub, its own virtual private network app

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Can anyone who tried this elaborate on what are the ads on the free tier? Are they only in the iOS app or is the service intercepting unsecured traffic to insert ads?

These appear to be in app ads. Not injected into actual browsing activity.
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