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Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Post by DoreenMichele »

dredmorbius wrote: post #118
DoreenMichele wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to want to participate on Mastodon. But I feel like it's a bunch of little walled gardens and I feel like that's a barrier to entry for me. It's a bug, not a feature. I also can't figure out where to start. I don't feel that way about Twitter.

The gardens are interconnected, for the most part. That's the point. And you can either join one or run your own.

And if I wanted to message you personally with questions about it for an indefinite period of some weeks or months while I get oriented, are you okay with that?

"Here, Doreen, here's my email address and my phone number. Don't hesitate to contact me. Happy to explain like you are my clueless little sister until you feel comfortable."

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Post by loceng »

AlphaWeaver wrote: post #74

There's a fair bit of criticism for relying too much on Twitter in this thread, but I think the article brings up a good point: >Yes, I know. We should redecentralize and put our content on Mastodon, or the BlockChain, or some other convoluted platform which has no users. But that’s just not practical for a small project. We have limited technical resources and have to go to where the people are. Despite there being…

What I'm wondering is does Mastodon and the like fit with Europe's GDPR?

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Post by ColinWright »

JasonFruit wrote: post #117
ColinWright wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends heavily on the instance you choose. There's much, much less of that on the instance I'm (mainly) on. And if they're saying interesting things, why do you care if they turn out to have a different lifestyle from yours? Pick a different instance and try again.

There would probably be instances that I would fit into better, but discoverability is also a problem. I also had a hard time figuring out how to make multiple instances visible at once in a single interface, either on mobile or desktop; I'm not sure if that's even supposed to be possible. As far as why I care, it's because these interesting people very understandably want to talk about their lifestyle choices, and I…

I'm not sure about having simultaneous visibility of multiple instances, I just follow the people in whom I'm interested, and their toots turn up in my instance. That's part of how federation works. Discoverability is a problem, one that people are working on, but you can find people and follow them, and then others on that instance over there can be safely ignored.

And if there are people who say really interesting things mixed in with stuff you don't care about, that's a problem everywhere. There are a few things you can do. One is that you can use regex's to filter out stuff you're not interested in. Another is that you can choose to follow only people who don't talk about the other things, and trust that they will boost the things that you care about from others.

But it's a social medium, so there will be a mix. You can control it to some extent, but I've found the tools in Mastodon to be much more powerful than those in Twitter.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Post by dredmorbius »

fao_ wrote: post #102
ColinWright wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly, there's no reason to choose only one and not the other. Tweeting on Twitter and tooting on Mastodon can be done with a single command once you've set it up. I'd've thought that was a no brainer. Secondly, I use Mastodon, and I'm on an instance with just over 1000 users. There are over 150K users on the main instance.

> Secondly, I use Mastodon, and I'm on an instance with just over 1000 users. There are over 150K users on the main instance. For most people I know and follow, that's like, the low bar of twitter follower counts.

See: Price's Law. User count isn't everything.

Price's well-known square root law states that half of the literature on a subject will be contributed by the square root of the total number of authors publishing in that area....

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222619181_Price%27s...

Mastodon Monitoring Project

https://mnm.social https://dashboards.mnm.social

Also: http://sp3r4z.fr/mastodon/general

About 1.3 million users, 120m statuses (I believe that's cumulative).

Twitter: https://www.statisticbrain.com/twitter-statistics/

~700m users, ~340m active.

58m tweets/dy.

I'd compare sqrt of both. That's ~1,100 vs 26,000 top users.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Post by exolymph »

loceng wrote: post #122
AlphaWeaver wrote: post #74

There's a fair bit of criticism for relying too much on Twitter in this thread, but I think the article brings up a good point: >Yes, I know. We should redecentralize and put our content on Mastodon, or the BlockChain, or some other convoluted platform which has no users. But that’s just not practical for a small project. We have limited technical resources and have to go to where the people are. Despite there being…

What I'm wondering is does Mastodon and the like fit with Europe's GDPR?

Discussed here: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/7280

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Post by exolymph »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #121
dredmorbius wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gardens are interconnected, for the most part. That's the point. And you can either join one or run your own.

And if I wanted to message you personally with questions about it for an indefinite period of some weeks or months while I get oriented, are you okay with that? "Here, Doreen, here's my email address and my phone number. Don't hesitate to contact me. Happy to explain like you are my clueless little sister until you feel comfortable."

If you can figure out Twitter, you can definitely figure out Mastodon. They have similar levels of complexity — you're just not familiar with Mastodon's quirks yet. If you don't want to put in the effort, though, that's fine.

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Post by duskwuff »

Bukhmanizer wrote: post #103
enzanki_ars wrote: post #10

I would assume Twitter suspended the account due to the rate of posts. Granted, you are allowed 2400 tweets per day, [1] so the account should not have had any issues.... [1]: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-limit...

My guess would be the source of posts. Looks like they post from "Twitter for Google TV" and "edent's tweeting robot", so they're probably outliers due to the volume of posts and where the posts are coming from. That combined with the characteristics of the text probably triggered the algorithm. That being said, it's unfortunate that this happened to them, the lack of manual review when kinds of things go wrong is sh…

"Twitter for Google TV" suggests that they may be using a Twitter API key that wasn't issued to them. Probably not a good idea...

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Post by jordigh »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #115
AlphaWeaver wrote: post #74

There's a fair bit of criticism for relying too much on Twitter in this thread, but I think the article brings up a good point: >Yes, I know. We should redecentralize and put our content on Mastodon, or the BlockChain, or some other convoluted platform which has no users. But that’s just not practical for a small project. We have limited technical resources and have to go to where the people are. Despite there being…

I want to want to participate on Mastodon. But I feel like it's a bunch of little walled gardens and I feel like that's a barrier to entry for me. It's a bug, not a feature. I also can't figure out where to start. I don't feel that way about Twitter.

You seem to like writing. So try this instance,

https://mastodon.theubergroup.org

There is one writer there I follow and whose posts I enjoy:

https://mastodon.theubergroup.org/@eleanor

Look at who she's following to get an idea of other people you might consider interesting.

Also look at the #GetOnOurLawn hashtag. You have to be logged in to an instance to search for it.

EDIT: My mistake, it is possible to view hashtags without logging in. Here it is from wandering.shop, an instance larger than the one I suggested above:

https://wandering.shop/tags/getonourlawn

Re: Twitter suspended our Open Data project's account and wiped all our followers

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Post by dredmorbius »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #121
dredmorbius wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gardens are interconnected, for the most part. That's the point. And you can either join one or run your own.

And if I wanted to message you personally with questions about it for an indefinite period of some weeks or months while I get oriented, are you okay with that? "Here, Doreen, here's my email address and my phone number. Don't hesitate to contact me. Happy to explain like you are my clueless little sister until you feel comfortable."

I'd do what I generally do with reasonable questions: point the questioner at a FAQ and suggest they simply dive in and try it.

https://github.com/tootsuite/documentation/blob/master/Using...

https://github.com/tootsuite/documentation/blob/master/Using...

This isn't rocket surgery. Or solving the homeless & mental health crises.

Sign up at https://Mastodon.social (big main Engish-mostly instance), or I can vouch for https://toot.cat (run by a friend, Woozle). I'm @dredmorbius at multiple instances, though I mostly monitor mastodon.cloud (which has been increasingly flaky).

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