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California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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This would actually make me want to live in California. Everyone should experience hallucinogens in the life, particularly magic mushrooms. It's truly a life changing experience, for the better. Some of the best nights of my young life were spent with friends, and mushrooms.

I'm in too!

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

#122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is very much not the homeopathy of psychedelics. Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable amount of active medicine in the dose. That is exactly what microdosing is. > A microdose of psychedelics [is] enough to feel buzzed No it isn't. If you've taken enough to feel buzzed then you took too much, according to proponents of microdosing. Here is a…

Then there's several distinct schools of thought on microdosing. Read the link I posted above.

Also from the comments on your link:

> DevO on October 15, 2017 at 12:31 am

> Niels, Micro-dosing is taking amounts too small to be psychoactive, but at the same time the substance still has effects that are beneficial in many different ways for different folks.

Here's a quote from from James Fadiman, the person who came up with the whole idea of microdosing in the first place: (at https://sites.google.com/view/microdosingpsychedelics/faq-on...)

> A dose that feels as if you are right at the edge of a psychedelic experience is too high.

As far as I can tell, there is one school of microdosing, and you're not in it. I wish you were right, because the whole idea of "sub-perceptual" doses is obviously bullshit, but I'm not seeing it.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microdosing is the homeopathy of psychedelics. Despite being a meme for years now there has been approximately one blind study, and that one done by an amateur, gwern: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing tl;dr it's bogus. Lots of anecdotal reports of its efficacy though, but again, why don't these amateur recreational users blind their doses? They're prone to placebo otherwise.

The idea of a placebo effect for psychedelics is kind of amusing.

The "placebo" used in some psychedelic experiments include niacin (creates this flush feeling) and methylphenidate.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands. Buying mushrooms illegally from a legit dealer in the US means making sure they have several uniform bags of the product. You want to make sure they're grown safely in a lab or farm. There are too many people who will go out and just pick mushrooms, which is incredibly unsafe. Unless you're an actual mycologist, it's difficult to tell what's s…

> There are too many people who will go out and just pick mushrooms, which is incredibly unsafe.

The ones grown outside can naturally protect themselves from potentially toxic bacterial infections, while the ones grown in jars can't. So in areas of the country (e.g. the mid-Atlantic region) with easy-to-identify psilocybin species, it's actually much safer to find them outside than to grow them. Yes it takes more work, but knowing how to identify the local plants/mushrooms/trees is also a basic part of being an adult.

To quote Gary Snyder's life advice, "Stay together, learn the flowers, go light."

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Humans used psychoactive substances for centuries, usually under the supervision of a shaman or some type of religious figure to undergo a journey. I don't have a position on legalizing psychoactive mushrooms, but I don't think this is a good argument. For example, humans also used lead to sweeten wine for centuries, but that's not evidence that lead is harmless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate#Sweet…

I think the comment above is understated. There is evidence that psychoactive compounds have been used since at least 3000BCE in Mesoamerica. Looking into it it seems lead was first mined around the same time in Greece but the lead sweetener idea wasn't popular until the roman empire. Note that there were reports even back then of health issues associated with the practice. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/articl…

> There is evidence that psychoactive compounds have been used since at least 3000BCE in Mesoamerica. Looking into it it seems lead was first mined around the same time in Greece but the lead sweetener idea wasn't popular until the roman empire.

Well, the Wikipedia page says that lead was being used as a sweetener as late as the 1850s, and this page suggests that we have records of the practice going back to at least 160BCE, so "thousands of years" doesn't seem inaccurate?

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/win...

> Do you have any other examples on the thousands of years timescale?

Off the top of my head, tobacco? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco#Traditional_use

Opium? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium#Ancient_use_.28pre-500_C...

Bloodletting? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodletting#In_the_ancient_wo...

I dunno, I'm not an anthropologist, but I'm not trying too hard...

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands. Buying mushrooms illegally from a legit dealer in the US means making sure they have several uniform bags of the product. You want to make sure they're grown safely in a lab or farm. There are too many people who will go out and just pick mushrooms, which is incredibly unsafe. Unless you're an actual mycologist, it's difficult to tell what's s…

You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands. Unless something has changed within the last year, this is no longer the case (in Amsterdam at least). They do sell something called "Magic Truffles" but AFAIK they're no where near as potent. It was possible to buy mushrooms there until a few years back but apparently it was putting stress on paramedics and police due to "drug tourists" havin…

You can still buy those growboxes though. Just-add-water mushrooms :)

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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I hope they don't. It's much easier to kill yourself and others by home distilling than by taking shrooms.

Why, because fires? But people who are interested in home distilling are already doing it. I don't believe significantly more people would start distilling at home because it's pretty costly and it's much easier just to buy hard liquor. Admittedly, I don't know the numbers on how many fires are started by distilling every year. Regardless, you can legally distill for fuel purposes, which tells me that the government…

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Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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post #6

You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands. Buying mushrooms illegally from a legit dealer in the US means making sure they have several uniform bags of the product. You want to make sure they're grown safely in a lab or farm. There are too many people who will go out and just pick mushrooms, which is incredibly unsafe. Unless you're an actual mycologist, it's difficult to tell what's s…

> You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands.

And maybe a less corrupt system (which allows for knowledge such as the following to persist) is the reason:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/oct/13/magic-mushro...

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

#130

I wonder if this could be the birth of the legal microdosing industry?

Microdosing is the homeopathy of psychedelics. Despite being a meme for years now there has been approximately one blind study, and that one done by an amateur, gwern: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing tl;dr it's bogus. Lots of anecdotal reports of its efficacy though, but again, why don't these amateur recreational users blind their doses? They're prone to placebo otherwise.

Even 0.1 g of psilocybin mushrooms is enough for me to notice changes in consciousness / perception / bodily sesnsations. I and plenty others consider it a micro dose but it is definitely a sub-tripping dose (you need 1 or 2 g for that usually).

Granted, there is confusion over terminology here but _small amounts_ ie. sub-balls-to-the-walls-tripping-with-visuals of psychedelics can definitely be helpful and contribute to increased well being, concentration, problem solving, energy, mood, etc.

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