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When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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It just dawned on me that Tinder is basically the new and improved version of Zuckerberg's original creation - Facesmash. Except Tinder can do so much more than that. And amusingly, Tinder is hailed as a great app while Facesmash was decried as a way of dehumanizing and objectifying people. My, how far we have come.

Do people forget HotOrNot?

I actually know a couple who met on hot or not, and are now married. I didn't even think this was possible, but it turns out there was a comments section...

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are weirdly positive about immigration. Are you sure you want tenaceous immigrants if they are criminals and/or seek to change the culture that you and yours live by? I suppose we should differentiaye between illegal and legal immigrants. I'd venture to guess that, on average self selection for intelligence manifests in the form of legal immigration, while the so called "tenaceous" immigrants tend to ignore le…

> Before anyone accuses me of white supremacy or privilege or such nonsense, my parents were first generation legal immigrants. How is that inconsistent with White supremacy or privilege? Because of geographic distribution of races, immigration demand, and per-country allocation of visa quotas, white people often have an advantage in legal immigration and the legal immigration is structured around preference classes…

Did you ever consider that it OK to select people in a way that manifests as privilege?

Why is it such a problem to select for culture when determining who can and can not enter your country?

Do you mean to imply that it isn't a problem for foreign people to enter a country and effectively change the local ways of life? Especially when the majority of the world's cultures happen to be lived in poverty.

And here you've made the assumption that I am white.

The race of immigrants is incidental to the distribution of education, wealth, and cultural practices similar to those in the U.S.

Also, I love how you're lumping in privilege of white immigrants with that of "white privilege" in the U.S.. It is a remarkably myopic view, as whites are not a powerful minority everywhere. More importantly, the entire philosophy is a tautology when you cherry pick and accuse all walks of white life globally as being privileged.

I cannot believe someone is seriously arguing about white privilege as if it is in anyone's best interest to tear down the institutions that seemingly support it.

If people like you didnt make certain research topics forbidden, we could answer scientifically what proportion of the average differences we see are racial/genetic/cultural. But instead we bury our heads in the sand and scream "white privilege".

You dont even know my ethnicity, you fucking racist. And how deep do you want to go down this rabbit hole? Are Slavs white? Are Jews white?

Fuck you and your divisive politicking, and normalized racism.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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post #110

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What's the difference between logging and data collection?

I work on a web application, and would love to have some metrics which I would consider "logging". The distinction I would make is, - Data collection is about learning things about your users - Logging is about learning what your users were doing when Something Went Wrong. Obviously, there's a _ton_ of overlap here, in that a lot of (all of?) the info one uses collects for one purpose could be used for the other. As…

In reply to and0, you also need to keep in mind that companies alao might need to know which behaviors did NOT cause a crash to figure out the root cause of a crash as a sort of control group.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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But what you are forgetting is Tinders (or any other companys) legal merrit for storing your data in the first place. Generalizing the Regulation; In most cases Tinder or any other only have the right to store (process or transmit to a third party) you data if you have given explicit consent. And you can revoke your consent. So the issue is not the right to delete data in the case where you no longer use Tinder. The…

"The data subject shall have the right to withdraw his or her consent at any time. The withdrawal of consent shall not affect the lawfulness of processing based on consent before its withdrawal." I'm also not sure if how did Tinder get the data (and yes it's important), Data sharing, 3rd party clauses etc. are also covered by the GDPR. Does the GDPR can improve privacy? yes, but it really isn't the sledge hammer that…

Hmm but do you interpret that to be the act of processing while the consent was in effect is not retrospectively made illegal, or to mean that data shared/obtained while a concent was in effect is still legal to keep after the consent is withdrawn.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are weirdly positive about immigration. Are you sure you want tenaceous immigrants if they are criminals and/or seek to change the culture that you and yours live by? I suppose we should differentiaye between illegal and legal immigrants. I'd venture to guess that, on average self selection for intelligence manifests in the form of legal immigration, while the so called "tenaceous" immigrants tend to ignore le…

> Before anyone accuses me of white supremacy or privilege or such nonsense, my parents were first generation legal immigrants. How is that inconsistent with White supremacy or privilege? Because of geographic distribution of races, immigration demand, and per-country allocation of visa quotas, white people often have an advantage in legal immigration and the legal immigration is structured around preference classes…

I think his intention in stating that was only trying to focus on the objective, informational debate at hand, and not devolve into complaints about him being a 'white supremacist', which people often use in debate to prematurely dispel arguments without considering their logic or point of view.

Ironically enough, his attempt at focusing on the objective led to you solely responding with accusations about how 'being white etc etc etc'.

Take arguments at face value; they can only be fully dispelled after reasoned, objective consideration.

Also: I will say that your point is a really interesting one re: racial privilege, but it's not relevant to the validity of his immigration stance.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before anyone accuses me of white supremacy or privilege or such nonsense, my parents were first generation legal immigrants. How is that inconsistent with White supremacy or privilege? Because of geographic distribution of races, immigration demand, and per-country allocation of visa quotas, white people often have an advantage in legal immigration and the legal immigration is structured around preference classes…

Did you ever consider that it OK to select people in a way that manifests as privilege? Why is it such a problem to select for culture when determining who can and can not enter your country? Do you mean to imply that it isn't a problem for foreign people to enter a country and effectively change the local ways of life? Especially when the majority of the world's cultures happen to be lived in poverty. And here you'v…

> Did you ever consider that it OK to select people in a way that manifests as privilege?

I never said it wasn't. I simply said that your parents being “first generation legal immigrants” does not serve as an effective preemptive rebuttal to accusations of white supremacy or privilege directed at you, because the legal immigration system selects for privilege and includes (and in some sense advantages) whites (and does not systematically exclude whites who might later have offspring who might become white supremacists.)

Whether it is good or bad that the system has selective features that create their own privilege classes and align with existing socio-economic privilege is a separate and unrelated question.

> And here you've made the assumption that I am white.

No, I have not. I've merely pointed out that the preemptive defense against claims of white supremacy and/or privilege that you have offered doesn't actually defend in any way against those claims. I've stated nothing that makes any presumption about your race, which I'm not even remotely interested in.

> Also, I love how you're lumping in privilege of white immigrants with that of "white privilege" in the U.S.. It is a remarkably miopic view, as whites are not a powerful minority everywhere.

That's true, there are many places (like the US) where they are the dominant and privileged majority rather than any kind of minority.

Though, as you note, it's your parents, not you, who are immigrants, so, insofar as the position of the White race would be relevant at all to your experience, it would be the position of the White race in the US, not in some hypothetical place where White privilege does not exist.

> I cannot believe someone is seriously arguing about white privilege

But you are the one who—preemptively, without provocation—raised the issue of white privilege. All I've done is pointed out that your preemptive defense completely fails to defend against the imagined future attack against which you deployed it.

> If people like you didnt make certain research topics forbidden

What people have made which research topic forbidden, and in what way are those people like me? You seem to be engaged in a feverish debate against positions you’ve only imagined exist.

> You dont even know my ethnicity

Nor do I care.

> you fucking racist.

What, precisely, have I said that is even remotely “racist”? All I've said is that your claim to have first-generation immigrant parents is not any kind of rebuttal to the accusations of white supremacy or privilege against whose imagined future occurence you offered it.

> And how deep do you want to go down this rabbit hole?

Not as deep as you've already gone on your own, thanks.

> Fuck you and your divisive politicking.

I'm not sure exactly how pointing out that your statement about your parentage was not even germane to the point you offered it for is “divisive politicking”, but, yeah, whatever.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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I got fed up with Tinder's Android client and reverse-engineered their API (this was back when the Android security model let you use mitmproxy). Two things stood out to me: 1. The AI was kind of hacky. Updates were done by polling rather than push. There were a lot of unused fields - for example, "remaining likes" would hang at 100 until the likes were used up, then it would go straight to 0. 2. They tracked absolut…

Number 2 is standard. In my experience It's a form of logging more than a form of data collection.

I wouldn't say it's more for logging, it's most likely for analytics purposes. A/B tests, funnels (how many people who install the app launch it, how many create an account, how many swipe right, how many swipe right a bunch, how many write a message, how many write a bunch of messages, how many buy the subscription, what page did they click it off of, how 'attractive' (some arbitrary number based on how many swipe rights, possibly) was the person they decided to buy the subscription for, etc.

Note, most sites that do analytics don't really care about who you are, individually, as a person, just how can they categorize you and your activities so they can generalize it and find ways to "improve the user experience" (read: improve how many users spend mucho dinero on our services).

And it's gotten to the point that they're never satisfied and want as much data as they can get away with so they can analyze it from a billion angles and tell the developers to change everything about the app every other week in the chase for better numbers.

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