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French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by kodfodrasz »

msla wrote: post #117
kodfodrasz wrote: post #114

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Its not. Hurting them is wrong. I also don't like junkies. Is that also wrong? Why do you tell me what i should like, and based on what ethics do you tell me what is morally right? What if I tell you that liking foreigners is morally wrong where I live? We don't hurt them, but we don't like them because they keep telling us what we should do, and keep trying to conquer us for a millennia? Still we live in peace since…

It's morally wrong to hate something for an attribute they have no control over. Is it morally wrong to hate someone who chooses to drink? Not really. Is it morally wrong to hate someone born addicted to opioids, or born with fetal alcohol syndrome? Of course. Being born "foreign" is no different, especially if you, as this chef does, live in a country where "nationality" is coterminous with "ethnicity" to the point…

Nice strawman you have there!

But actually not like and hate are the same only in your dictionary.

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by scotty79 »

mantas wrote: post #110
scotty79 wrote: post #109

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Yes, they are.

Yet we don't allow random traveler to vote in local elections. Modern travel is big specifically because the world is diverse place. If all societies would try to include anyone from anywhere, they'd become similar and traveling wouldn't be as great.

By that logic you'd have to argue that children, inmates, mentally ill and those that for whatever reason didn't register to vote in states where it's required are not the part of society.

Including outsiders in the society doesn't make societies less diverse. If anything it's making them more diverse because otherwise similar societies might include different outsiders and differ more because of that.

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by mantas »

scotty79 wrote: post #122
mantas wrote: post #110

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Yet we don't allow random traveler to vote in local elections. Modern travel is big specifically because the world is diverse place. If all societies would try to include anyone from anywhere, they'd become similar and traveling wouldn't be as great.

By that logic you'd have to argue that children, inmates, mentally ill and those that for whatever reason didn't register to vote in states where it's required are not the part of society. Including outsiders in the society doesn't make societies less diverse. If anything it's making them more diverse because otherwise similar societies might include different outsiders and differ more because of that.

Not every argument is supposed to be double-sided.

Mix-mashing all societies just get them to lowest common denominator. Similar societies usually receive similar outsiders. Sometimes even outsiders from same place. Which just makes them even more similar. For example, north Germany and Bavaria are quite different places and have different culture. Yet same set of immigrants come to both. Local food is different, but kebabs are the same.

If each society can choose who they want to accept and who they don't want... Then we can agree that each society can judge for itself.

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by msla »

kodfodrasz wrote: post #121
msla wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's morally wrong to hate something for an attribute they have no control over. Is it morally wrong to hate someone who chooses to drink? Not really. Is it morally wrong to hate someone born addicted to opioids, or born with fetal alcohol syndrome? Of course. Being born "foreign" is no different, especially if you, as this chef does, live in a country where "nationality" is coterminous with "ethnicity" to the point…

Nice strawman you have there! But actually not like and hate are the same only in your dictionary.

> But actually not like and hate are the same only in your dictionary.

You're just being deliberately obtuse, now.

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by kodfodrasz »

msla wrote: post #124
kodfodrasz wrote: post #121

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Nice strawman you have there! But actually not like and hate are the same only in your dictionary.

> But actually not like and hate are the same only in your dictionary. You're just being deliberately obtuse, now.

> And lots of people don't like foreigners.

I thought we were talking about this comment. You created a strawman, and now use derogatory comment toward me. This makes me end this discussion here.

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by kodfodrasz »

nimchimpsky wrote: post #120
kodfodrasz wrote: post #49

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> Lots of people don't like xenophobia. And lots of people don't like foreigners. > Like the hoteliers who don't allow gay people to stay ? Even that is OK in my opinion. The market will sort it out. There are clubs where gay people can have a good time. If gay accomodation becomes a niche market, there will be people seizing that opportunity. The law shall not discriminate people, but telling people what to think an…

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Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by JosephLark »

piker wrote: post #78
fermigier wrote: post #43

The fate of Benoit Violier (French-Swiss chef that took his own life after being awarded his third Michelin star in 2016) come to mind in this context: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/01/benoit-violier...

Referenced in the article as well.

The article actually mentions Bernard Loiseau, not Benoit Violier. Loiseau took his life after hearing rumors his restaurant would be demoted from three to two Michelin stars.

There was a book written about the Loiseau event (reads like it was supposed to be a biography at first, of which the suicide obviously overtook the narrative): The Perfectionist: Life and Death in Haute Cuisine [0].

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Perfectionist-Life-Death-Haute-Cuisin...

Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by dang »

nimchimpsky wrote: post #120
kodfodrasz wrote: post #49

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> Lots of people don't like xenophobia. And lots of people don't like foreigners. > Like the hoteliers who don't allow gay people to stay ? Even that is OK in my opinion. The market will sort it out. There are clubs where gay people can have a good time. If gay accomodation becomes a niche market, there will be people seizing that opportunity. The law shall not discriminate people, but telling people what to think an…

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Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by dang »

kodfodrasz wrote: post #126
nimchimpsky wrote: post #120

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Re: French chef asks to be stripped of three Michelin stars

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Post by dang »

kodfodrasz wrote: post #40
chongli wrote: post #37

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xenophobic undertone It's another facet of gentrification. A restaurant owner may really love having a small, local clientele of regulars and a very good atmosphere due to that fact. Then one day he gets awarded a Michelin star and suddenly thousands of tourists descend on his place and swamp it with unwanted business. Is it xenophobic to suggest he might prefer to go back to the previous situation?

Also, if it was xenophobic. So what? Doesn't a businessman have the right to choose who to do business with? I believe free trade is a good thing, but seems like many americans mistook free trade for gunboat diplomacy (see opening of Japan). In my understanding free trade is free as in free will: both parties voluntarily take part in the exchange of goods and services. Also one can be patriotic in a way that he/she (…

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