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Before Silicon Valley, New Jersey Reigned As Nation's Center Of Innovation

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Re: Before Silicon Valley, New Jersey Reigned As Nation's Center Of Innovation

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Many people on HN seem to forget that many strides in computer science, computer architecture, and mathematics came from schools that don't start with an "S" and are from outside of the Bay Area. I think it is more that the definition of how you measure innovation has shifted over time -- now it is based on how many dollars are raised for your venture vs. actual strides being made in academic fields of study.

....but still from a HYPSM.

Agreed, and my comment was just that it goes beyond Stanford and Silicon Valley...

Re: Before Silicon Valley, New Jersey Reigned As Nation's Center Of Innovation

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MIT, CMU, Princeton, Harvard and Cornell are all top schools for C.S. and those are all still on the East Coast. None of these schools have any difficulty attracting top talent from around the world.

I got skewered in /r/cscareerquestions several months ago for suggesting that any Ivy had a top-tier CS program. It may not be reality, but there is definitely a strong perception.

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Re: Before Silicon Valley, New Jersey Reigned As Nation's Center Of Innovation

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I got skewered in /r/cscareerquestions several months ago for suggesting that any Ivy had a top-tier CS program. It may not be reality, but there is definitely a strong perception.

It's a very odd perception that I think comes from their size. They tend to be smaller, more focused departments. The education quality is still high and everyone's favorite companies recruit at them.

They punch above their weight, but it still helps to be big.

Re: Before Silicon Valley, New Jersey Reigned As Nation's Center Of Innovation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

MIT, CMU, Princeton, Harvard and Cornell are all top schools for C.S. and those are all still on the East Coast. None of these schools have any difficulty attracting top talent from around the world.

I got skewered in /r/cscareerquestions several months ago for suggesting that any Ivy had a top-tier CS program. It may not be reality, but there is definitely a strong perception.

Depends what you mean by top tier. If you look at where CS professors did their Ph.D.s and where they end up teaching the top four are clearly CMU, MIT, Stanford and Berkeley. None of those are an Ivy. A school can be great without literally being top tier. UT Austin is a great law school but there is a top tier in law schools and it's not part of it[1].

[1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_school_rankings_in_the_U...

Re: Before Silicon Valley, New Jersey Reigned As Nation's Center Of Innovation

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I find your comment a bit gratuitous. These seminal figures come up somewhat regularly on HN and it's no secret that these great minds hailed from Austria, Britain, Hungary, Germany etc.

It was a bit more controversial than I intended, but I still stand by the opinion that Silicon Valley is weighed a lot more than any other location. I don't disagree that the figures come up from time to time, but they are rarely on the top of comments lists unless the submission is specifically about them.

Silicon Valley's great strength is the huge, fluid ecosystem of skilled engineers, executives, funders, and supporting professionals (lawyers, landlords, marketing consultants), all of whom are actively searching for "the next big thing" and want to be part of it. That lets you rapidly scale a company when you've proven it out on a small group.

I grew up in the Boston area, and honestly, I thought there was more genuine technology innovation coming out of Boston-area institutions like MIT, other area universities, Lincoln Labs, MITRE, Raytheon, BBN, etc. The problem was that most of these innovations get strangled in their cradle, because Boston VCs are looking for ways to do things that are already being done better, and aren't willing to take a chance on ideas that look nothing like existing businesses. In Silicon Valley, you can usually find at least one defector who thinks "Well, it's a terrible idea, but I'm going to invest anyway just to see what happens." And that's why you have all these companies that actually started in Boston - Microsoft, Facebook, Reddit, DropBox, YCombinator - but are now known as either "Silicon Valley" or "Seattle" companies.

Re: Before Silicon Valley, New Jersey Reigned As Nation's Center Of Innovation

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I don't know what's more sad, the fact that NJ killed its own tech scene or that the revival efforts shining example focus on a "company that helps people make money on videos they post on social media". That's certainly a far cry from inventing the transistor and pioneering radio. Yep, NJ is still (for now) dead to tech. It reminds me of Columbus, Ohio, which used to be a big Internet and tech hub. Now, only burnt e…

> Some cultural differences were also shaped by the law. New Jersey has strict anti-competitive laws that make it hard to take what you learn at your job and create a new company. This is probably the biggest influence. SV is built on people who starte working at HP, Microsoft, or Google, then left to found their own company - or straight out of college for the lucky/rich kids like Zuckerberg and Gates. Then there is…

A thousand times this. I had a discussion on the plane with a person trying to make their city more like the Bay Area. And they had looked at universities, and air ports, and demographics, and infrastructure. I asked them whether or not their state allowed the enforcement of non-compete agreements? Yes. Do they allow employers to take ownership of all work product even when it is done on the employee's non-work time on non-work equipment? Yes. So I said, first thing you have to do is make both of those 'no', then you can start on the other bits. But allowing people to compete with the people who hired them is essential.

Re: Before Silicon Valley, New Jersey Reigned As Nation's Center Of Innovation

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I don't know what's more sad, the fact that NJ killed its own tech scene or that the revival efforts shining example focus on a "company that helps people make money on videos they post on social media". That's certainly a far cry from inventing the transistor and pioneering radio. Yep, NJ is still (for now) dead to tech. It reminds me of Columbus, Ohio, which used to be a big Internet and tech hub. Now, only burnt e…

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