There's also GNUNet: https://gnunet.org/ As others have mentioned there's also FreeNet: https://freenetproject.org/ I haven't looked deep into any of these projects, but I do think they are neat and hoping at least one of them gains a lot of traction.
ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network
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Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network
#122A little known fact: the Namecoin blockchain's cost-adjusted hashrate [1] is the third highest in the world, after Bitcoin and Ethereum, making it unusually secure given its relative obscurity (e.g. its market capitalisation is only $10 million). [1] hashrates can't be compared directly due to different hashing algorithms having different costs for producing a hash.
Namecoin has a number of innovations. It's the first 'alt-coin' fork from Bitcoin, and it pioneered the technique of "merge mining" where a miner could do Proof of Work on both the Bitcoin chain and the NameCoin chain simultaneously. A lot of mining pools implemented merged mining. Even though the alt-coin space has become much more crowded and noisy, NameCoin retains that early hashing advantage. It's a very secure…
But this guy said that a single miner has 65% of the hashing power: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14043038
Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network
#123We need more projects like these. Whether this project solves the question of a truly distributed Internet* is out of question. What we need is a movement, a big cognitive investment towards solving the Big Brother problem. *I am referring to concentrated power of the big players here, country-wide firewalls, and bureaucracy towards how/what we use.
We need multiple internets, a big confusion, governments can't handle confusion, but if everything is standardized over Facebook and WhatsApp it's easy for them.
https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2010/07/26/a-big-little-idea-call...
ZeroNet does appear to take an important step in that direction with decentralization.
Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network
#124Has the code quality improved since I was told to screw off for bringing up security? * 2 years out of date gevent-websocket * Year old Python-RSA, which included some worrying security bugs in that time. [0](Vulnerable to side-channel attacks on decryption and signing.) * PyElliptic is both out of date, and actually an unmaintained library. But it's okay, it's just the OpenSSL library! * 2 years out of date Pybitcoi…
Well, it is better to concentrate on getting users in than to solve some small quirks. Nobody is going to attack ZeroNet if it doesn't have users anyway.
Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network
#125Has the code quality improved since I was told to screw off for bringing up security? * 2 years out of date gevent-websocket * Year old Python-RSA, which included some worrying security bugs in that time. [0](Vulnerable to side-channel attacks on decryption and signing.) * PyElliptic is both out of date, and actually an unmaintained library. But it's okay, it's just the OpenSSL library! * 2 years out of date Pybitcoi…
Well, it is better to concentrate on getting users in than to solve some small quirks. Nobody is going to attack ZeroNet if it doesn't have users anyway.
Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, it is better to concentrate on getting users in than to solve some small quirks. Nobody is going to attack ZeroNet if it doesn't have users anyway.
That was OpenSSL's attitude. It resulted in harm to many more users who would've been better off with something else or with its own developers actually trying to prevent security vulnerabilities. A project advertising something to be "uncensorable" based on "crypto" or whatever should be baking security in from the start everywhere it goes. Or it's just a fraud.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're moving forward as always. Latest features would include distributed pubsub, filestore (allows you to add files without duplicating them) and interop between the browser and desktop nodes. Any specific part you're looking at?
1) What's the status of (supported as a real feature, not just manually changing the bootstrap nodes and hoping everyone else does too) private IPFS networks? If it's there already, how stable is its configuration ( i.e. if I get my friends on a private IPFS network will I likely have to get them all to update a bunch of config in 6 months or a year)? 2) Does filestore also let you store, say, newly pinned files in y…
2) The latter. Former is nice idea you for sure should rise it on go-ipfs tracker.
3) The repo update is currently automated (run daemon with `--migrate` flag so it will migrate itself)
4) Unfortunately not but it is very interesting question. If you could ask it on http://ipfs.trydiscourse.com/ it would be awesome.
Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network
#128We need more projects like these. Whether this project solves the question of a truly distributed Internet* is out of question. What we need is a movement, a big cognitive investment towards solving the Big Brother problem. *I am referring to concentrated power of the big players here, country-wide firewalls, and bureaucracy towards how/what we use.
We need multiple internets, a big confusion, governments can't handle confusion, but if everything is standardized over Facebook and WhatsApp it's easy for them.
Well. Look, even if you have multiple internets, decentralized everything, distributed all systems, no more Google no more Facebook. What does the communication patterns in such a system look like? Do you use the system after work before going to sleep? Your and everyone else usage patterns, traffic can be analyzed. The endpoints, many of them would be honeypots run by Spooks, revealing even more what you are up to and giving you a false sense of safety while the Spooks could run the entire decentralized inter-network.
So your system would have to fake it somehow, fake requesting some hashes here and there, fake request/post comments and follows. Otherwise, the social data available when the SPOOKS join your social-network even if it is distributed like patchwork on scuttlebot, defeats its purpose.
That is what bitmessage does, but then you pay in high bandwidth costs. And yet, you cant just do random shit, random can easily be filtered out so you need more advanced method of finding fake social relations and using those to do fake data to actually conceal what you and everyone else is doing on the interweb.
EDIT: Im not saying "give up", its a very worthy cause, just the problem is harder and enters the social space quite fast - the problem is the same as "we are all nice developers and hackers" yet 99% seem to be employed by NSA/similar-services/Google and think they are doing great James Bond like type of jobs, while they are actually anti-hackers and anti-developers, in fact, anti-society.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
"I thought it was pretty easy to disrupt / censor torrents, hasn't that been going on for a while?" Not torrents themselves, only torrent search engines. Torrents are distributed by design, but traditional torrent directories/aggregators/search engines are centralized, thus easy targets for DCMA take-downs, ISP blocks, trials etc.
...And that's exactly the first thing they should put in ZeroNet.
ZeroNet is perhaps not enough on its own to solve this problem, though, since a good torrent search engine suffers from the same limitation as a good forum, which is the need to have some form of community-based moderation. If people can't remove spam search results, and spam comments, then the medium can be too easily exploited (using Sybil attacks, etc.) and become useless.
The missing piece which is holding back so many decentralised technology projects is a lack of a decentralised trust platform. A necessary step towards this would be a decentralised (and privacy-preserving) identity platform, which would have the added benefit of removing the "Log in with Facebook/Google" problem from the web.
Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network
#130Has the code quality improved since I was told to screw off for bringing up security? * 2 years out of date gevent-websocket * Year old Python-RSA, which included some worrying security bugs in that time. [0](Vulnerable to side-channel attacks on decryption and signing.) * PyElliptic is both out of date, and actually an unmaintained library. But it's okay, it's just the OpenSSL library! * 2 years out of date Pybitcoi…
Well, it is better to concentrate on getting users in than to solve some small quirks. Nobody is going to attack ZeroNet if it doesn't have users anyway.