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Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network

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Post by marak830 »

shakna wrote: post #35
ballenf wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like an ISP has to take your request and transmit it and the response. No difference in theory. In practice, I would worry whether courts would ignore theory.

But there is no person involved directly in the pipeline with an ISP. Every request goes through an automated process. Governments do and have asked ISPs to update and block against certain websites. Thus, the automated system is expected to behave adequately. However, as a person becomes involved, they become an active participant in the pipeline. That is a huge theoretical difference. A person is not automated, the…

I wonder how all that would change if you only had a portion of any of the files, at what point would they draw the line?

Either way it's a damn difficult question to answer, but God's be damned if I wouldn't prefer a distributed internet.

Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network

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Post by the8472 »

lossolo wrote: post #50
the8472 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bittorrent supports more peer sources than just trackers, DHT being the most important one among the others.

It's not supported by ZeroNet.

there are libraries, it shouldn't be difficult for them to add that.

Oh, they say the following on their issue tracker:

> zeronet protocol is different from torrent, so libtorrent will not work.

So the headline is misleading?

Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network

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Post by shakna »

marak830 wrote: post #51
shakna wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there is no person involved directly in the pipeline with an ISP. Every request goes through an automated process. Governments do and have asked ISPs to update and block against certain websites. Thus, the automated system is expected to behave adequately. However, as a person becomes involved, they become an active participant in the pipeline. That is a huge theoretical difference. A person is not automated, the…

I wonder how all that would change if you only had a portion of any of the files, at what point would they draw the line? Either way it's a damn difficult question to answer, but God's be damned if I wouldn't prefer a distributed internet.

Hell yes, to both those points.

At least IPFS is working hard towards Tor integration. That might be something one day.

Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network

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Post by vog »

wyldfire wrote: post #47
blitmap wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome added a feature a long while back I really wanted for ages. The ability to specify the checksum of a linked asset, so that it can be verified as it's downloaded (and untrusted/discarded if not). I just can't find the docs for it. :( My Google-fu is not strong. EDIT: Found it :D https://w3c.github.io/webappsec-subresource-integrity/

I was pretty sure I knew what you meant but to be a bit more explicit: it's a real integrity check using hashes and not merely a checksum.

If we are nitpicking like this: It uses cryptographic hash functions and not merely the hash functions commonly used by hash tables.

Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network

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Post by diggan »

mtgx wrote: post #38

Speaking of which, what's the progress on IPFS?

We're moving forward as always. Latest features would include distributed pubsub, filestore (allows you to add files without duplicating them) and interop between the browser and desktop nodes. Any specific part you're looking at?

Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network

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Post by diggan »

shakna wrote: post #55
marak830 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how all that would change if you only had a portion of any of the files, at what point would they draw the line? Either way it's a damn difficult question to answer, but God's be damned if I wouldn't prefer a distributed internet.

Hell yes, to both those points. At least IPFS is working hard towards Tor integration. That might be something one day.

> At least IPFS is working hard towards Tor integration. That might be something one day.

Actually, that day is today already! OpenBazaar had the same need of a Tor transport and made one! It's available here: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/go-onion-transport/

Basically a plug-and-play transport for IPFS.

Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network

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Post by 1ba9115454 »

shakna wrote: post #23

Has the code quality improved since I was told to screw off for bringing up security? * 2 years out of date gevent-websocket * Year old Python-RSA, which included some worrying security bugs in that time. [0](Vulnerable to side-channel attacks on decryption and signing.) * PyElliptic is both out of date, and actually an unmaintained library. But it's okay, it's just the OpenSSL library! * 2 years out of date Pybitcoi…

Thanks for sharing this.

It's a shame your skills weren't more appreciated.

Re: ZeroNet – Uncensorable websites using Bitcoin crypto and BitTorrent network

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

> Anonymity: Full Tor network support with .onion hidden services instead of ipv4 addresses

How does this track with the Tor Project's advice to avoid using BitTorrent over Tor [1]? I can imagine that a savvy project is developed with awareness of what the problems are and works around them, but I don't see it addressed.

[1] https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-go...

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