This is how Firefox dies.
I cannot continue working on my add-ons
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Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons
#122There seem to be a lot of people that are saying "oh, without XUL based extensions, Firefox is just a (worse) Chrome clone, so I might as well just use Chrome." I think what they might be missing is that Mozilla's conclusion is a lot like the people seem to be thinking here -- even though Chrome doesn't have the fancy extensions that are possible in Firefox, many many more people are using Chrome than Firefox, becaus…
>>Clearly, that has something to do with either security or performance, where Firefox has a perceived lag. This is completely false It has something to do with MARKETING and the fact the Google is largest marketing company in the world and has the ability to market chrome far far far more effectively than Firefox IE is crap, so Windows users seek a replacement for IE, use to their only option was Firefox. Once Chrom…
> They they take away my TreeStyle Tabs and a few other Extensions I dont care how much faster it is, FF will be removed my all my systems
This is what I don't understand. What would you use instead? Do you see another vendor attempting to recreate XUL-like extensions? Built in functionality like the stuff in Vivaldi doesn't count, since those aren't extensions.
Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons
#123Firefox has three APIs: XUL, Jetpack, and WebExtensions. XUL has been on the way out for years, and never worked in mobile Firefox anyway. (Almost nobody runs mobile Firefox, so that turned out not to matter much.) Jetpack was introduced in 2013, and by 2014, it was actually usable. It's not clear when and whether Jetpack add-ons will stop working. Mozilla's developer documentation is so confused that you can't tell.…
It's not "chasing chrome compatibility", it's sharing the same base.
Firefox wants to add its own APIs to webextensions. Chrome will too. They may not always match with each other with the newest APIs. It cuts both ways here, it's wrong to characterize it as something where only Chrome will be adding features and Firefox will play catch-up. Firefox is "copying Chrome" only as far as copying the base API.
See https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Contribute/Triage#Bug_Queri... for the current list of APIs that are planned or being decided on.
Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>Clearly, that has something to do with either security or performance, where Firefox has a perceived lag. This is completely false It has something to do with MARKETING and the fact the Google is largest marketing company in the world and has the ability to market chrome far far far more effectively than Firefox IE is crap, so Windows users seek a replacement for IE, use to their only option was Firefox. Once Chrom…
> They they take away my TreeStyle Tabs and a few other Extensions I dont care how much faster it is, FF will be removed my all my systems This is what I don't understand. What would you use instead? Do you see another vendor attempting to recreate XUL-like extensions? Built in functionality like the stuff in Vivaldi doesn't count, since those aren't extensions.
>>This is what I don't understand. What would you use instead?
Does not matter, Likely Vivaldi, or Chrome.
I will not reward FF or Mozilla, it may seem petty but I will not continue to use FF after mozilla ignored its users in this manner.
From day one Devs, users and the wider community has been telling mozilla we do not want these changes.
Clearly they do not want me as a user of their product so I will oblige them and stop using their product
I expect to be ignored by a large for-profit corporation like Google, if Mozilla is going to act like google I might as well just move to Chrome.
Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They they take away my TreeStyle Tabs and a few other Extensions I dont care how much faster it is, FF will be removed my all my systems This is what I don't understand. What would you use instead? Do you see another vendor attempting to recreate XUL-like extensions? Built in functionality like the stuff in Vivaldi doesn't count, since those aren't extensions.
>>This is what I don't understand. What would you use instead? Does not matter, Likely Vivaldi, or Chrome. I will not reward FF or Mozilla, it may seem petty but I will not continue to use FF after mozilla ignored its users in this manner. From day one Devs, users and the wider community has been telling mozilla we do not want these changes. Clearly they do not want me as a user of their product so I will oblige them…
> Clearly they do not want me as a user of their product so I will oblige them and stop using their product
Got it, spite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP0MXJAQhmo
Chrome never tried to cater to users like you, so you'll reward that browser because they never bothered to try.
Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>This is what I don't understand. What would you use instead? Does not matter, Likely Vivaldi, or Chrome. I will not reward FF or Mozilla, it may seem petty but I will not continue to use FF after mozilla ignored its users in this manner. From day one Devs, users and the wider community has been telling mozilla we do not want these changes. Clearly they do not want me as a user of their product so I will oblige them…
> Clearly they do not want me as a user of their product so I will oblige them and stop using their product Got it, spite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP0MXJAQhmo Chrome never tried to cater to users like you, so you'll reward that browser because they never bothered to try.
>>Chrome never tried to cater to users like you
That is right, and that is the point. If you do not understand why or how that makes a difference I likely will be unable to explain it to you.
I may not go to chrome, Vivaldi, the new Opera, Some Fork of the good firefox, we are still a little ways away from the the day Mozilla commits Suicide so....
Also I do want to add, my problem is not them removing XUL, my problem is them removing FUNCTIONALITY, if they come up with something else that REPLACES feature for feature XUL fine, if they take everything people are losing and build it in as not an extension that would be fine to, if they Add a option in the Configuration for TreeStyle Tabs with out an extension that would be grand
I am not beholden to extensions, I am beholden to the FUNCTIONALITY.
Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Almost nobody runs mobile Firefox, so that turned out not to matter much Well. The number of installs of Firefox for Android is a nine-digit number. Depending on your perspective that can be thought of as a big or small number. But it certainly is not "nobody".
Most or all stats will show mobile FF browsing usage at about IE6 levels, and I don't think you'll find anyone caring much for the later market any longer. We [web developers] owe a lot to FF, Firebug, etc, but the writings on the wall for mobile and desktop. Chrome is going to have to screw up really bad, and likewise for the base installs of IE/Edge and Safari. These days, I'm more likely to suggest Brave over FF,…
> These days, I'm more likely to suggest Brave over FF, if someone really requires a Chrome alternative.
Brave is just a reskinned Chrome.
> We [web developers] owe a lot to FF, Firebug, etc, but the writings on the wall for mobile and desktop.
Where I work developers have mostly switched to Firefox over the last few years. Firefox is just a better browser (faster, less bloated) under the hood. Yes, Firefox will have a difficult time sine they don't have their own proprietary walled-garden ecosystem as a distribution channel, but the technical product is solid.
Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ditto! Unfortunately, it appears that there will be no replacement any time soon, if ever. I am not 100% certain on the details, but apparently, the new WebExtension APIs make certain browser window manipulation impossible. So looks like we're stuck with ESR in short-to-mid term future.
Sadly, I mean a replacement for Firefox altogether. The only plugins I use are Vimperator and uMatrix. I'm posting this from Qutebrowser and I'm very impressed. I just hope I can get uMatrix functionality.
vimfx is the closest replacement at this moment in time.
Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like Tree-style Tabs will stop working then as well. That will be a sad day. Tree-style Tabs and some form of mouse gestures are pretty much all I need.
I won't need either of those, but this is a major part of why I like Firefox, each person can make it their own. These in particular make Firefox my own (your Firefox is not my firefox, but your firefox is OK), and I will be sad if they disappear without replacement: Disable Style Button https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-style... Disconnect https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disconnec…
most of those will end up with webextension versions. I don't know what they all do, so i can't say all.
I do know that ones like ghostery and lastpass have financial incentives, while others (like vimfx) are already planning on it. Others don't seem to rely on many (if at all) XUL/XPCOM features
Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yea that is not a concern for me... I am logged in to Google services all the time anyway and I have a Android Phone sitting 3 ins from my computer. I use Firefox for a few Productivity Extensions that will likely stop working in 57, as such there is no reason for me to continue to use FireFox.
Just today I was unable to access a modem configuration site (at http://192.168.1.1 ) with Chrome, because without internet it couldn't phone Google to decide wether to use it as an address or a search term.
I have never had this problem with chrome.