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Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by threeseed »

izacus wrote: post #94
justinhj wrote: post #60

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Sounds like you'd be fine with a flip phone from 10 years ago and a small high quality camera. You don't seem to be the target audience for the latest smartphones.

Huh, how did you conclude that?! Also who exactly is the target audience for modern smart phones? How do you determine that and why are millions of users around the world treated like they're a single demographic with uniform wishes?

The target audience are people who aren't looking at replaceable batteries and upgradeable storage as deal breakers. Especially since there are better/popular alternatives for both i.e. powerbanks and wireless drives/internet. And the people who make that choice are the manufacturers who base their decisions on the general public i.e. product research.

So maybe you, the OP etc just need to understand that your requirements are niche and unlikely to ever be met in the more popular phones.

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Post by threeseed »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #82
evo_9 wrote: post #75

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Your personal needs are vastly different from the actual market; otherwise what you desire would be more aligned with what manufacturers are making. It's easy to think manufacturers ignore what the market wants but this is rarely the case. The phones being offered are more or less what people are asking for.

I am pretty sure the market wants more battery life than "no bezel design", if they thought rationally, and was made to choose only one. It's rather because of the return on investment. From a company's point of view they want to invest as little effort as possible to generate as much effect as possible. Going from 8 hour battery life to 10 hour wouldn't turn the needle for most people, but having a sexy design or a…

> if they thought rationally,

Because buying something because it looks/feels good is irrational.

Makes sense.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by threeseed »

ktsmith wrote: post #110
nogridbag wrote: post #88

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Bezel size does matter. For example, the Xiaomi Mix is the same size as the iPhone 7 plus while having a much larger display: https://xiaomiprime.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/cvmy91svmaip... But I tend to agree with most of these points. I personally wish the new Pixel phone was more like the Moto Z Play.

I agree that bezel size matters but not for the reason you mentioned. When I hold a phone or tablet in landscape mode I need a place to comfortably be able to have a portion of my hand touch without interacting with the screen. The iPhone, iPad and now Google Pixel all have larger bezels at the top and bottom which are perfect for having your thumbs or another part of the hand touch without interacting with the app y…

Apple has been very good with the iPad Pro at detecting and eliminating false touches using machine learning models.

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Post by khedoros1 »

edgall wrote: post #54
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

In other words, a Nokia 3310 plus a camera and storage?

Presumably, that would fail "Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes". I think that they're saying that the screen matters, but that FHD/QHD isn't a requirement. Of course, I'm looking through the lens of what I'd like in a phone.

They seem to like waterproofing and wireless charging as well, and at least the charging isn't usually available on the old candy-bar phones.

Personally, I'd love something like a flagship-style phone, but with a 4.5" 720P screen. For the most part, such a beast doesn't exist, and the next question is "what can I compromise on to find a phone that actually exists?" The comment you responded to seems like they're trying to answer the same question and coming up with "null set". It's a frustrating situation to be in, when the market moves away from building the tool you'd like.

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Post by Florin_Andrei »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #65
mhurron wrote: post #20

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First thing I do with any phone is put it in a case. Bezel-less is irrelevant to me, I'm going to put one in place. 'Thinnest phone ever' is similarly meaningless to me for the same reasons. I don't want a phone that feels like I'm going to snap it in half simply by using it.

iPhone user? Because I've never had the need to put a case on any of my Android phones, including me and my wife's $150 Moto G3s that get thrown around by our kids. And I do get quite some amusement out of a product praised for it's premium design, materials and svelte features always being carried in a thick ugly plastic/silicon bumper case by essentially everyone.

> I've never had the need to put a case on any of my Android phones

Me neither, but some people just manage somehow to smash a lot of phones at a record pace. No idea how they do it.

There's a market for phone bumpers, and there's a reason for it.

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Post by khedoros1 »

dogma1138 wrote: post #24
yoz-y wrote: post #17

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One way to do so is to make the UI in a way that it does not have anything actionable on the bezels. Kind of a "virtual" bezel.

Then honestly what's the point? You are going to sacrifice structural integrity and add cost and complexity. A virtual bezel is about as "useful" as using virtual buttons on an Android device that has physical capacitive buttons, I never understood why people do that.

Displaying information. A couple millimeters at the edge of the screen acting as display-only won't make much difference to your interaction, but you'dd be able to fit a larger display into a smaller chassis. That sounds like a win to me.

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Post by GFischer »

khedoros1 wrote: post #120
GFischer wrote: post #118

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Quite a lot of people have asked me about a small but powerful Android phone, and there are none! It's incredible, but all companies go in the same direction. In the very few instances when they do innovate, they go in really odd directions (curve displays, in-built projectors), but they don't address basic stuff like size or physical keyboard.

I'm considering buying an Xperia X Compact. It's about the size I think I'd be happy with, Sony devices tend to have great development communities, and Sony itself provides a means to unlock the phone's bootloader, and to compile AOSP for the device. Of course, it fails in the "cheap" dimension, and also on "size" and "replaceable battery" ones. Still, as far as things that would be considered compact in the current…

I recommended the Xperia Compact line to a coworker, and she says it's still too big. She wants it to fit comfortably on a woman's pocket. Something Motorola Razr-sized (about 20% smaller than the Xperia compact).

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Post by khedoros1 »

pault wrote: post #115

I want a _monitor_ with a bezel-less display. Do they exist?

It seems like a few get pretty close. The Dell U2417H and Benq EW2750ZL look nice, if small bezel is what you're looking for (24" and 27" respectively, but those are just examples).

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Post by tirant »

baldfat wrote: post #86
usaphp wrote: post #73

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> "replaceable battery" Can you tell me what is a practical use of a replaceable battery, I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad. Also if in 2+ years you decide to change a battery I doubt you can find an original batter, and will end up with a cheap knockoff which might not work at all. > "weight" Heavier phones directly impact usability and even handling in your pocket, holding it while reading…

> I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad. Also if in 2+ years you decide to change a battery I doubt you can find an original batter, and will end up with a cheap knockoff which might not work at all. All batteries go bad. Science I always go over the 2 years and for $20 I can buy a Duracell Battery that gets me back to the original life. Lithium Batteries Apple or not ALL Lithium batteries last…

That is not up-to-date information that you have. You can find plenty of batteries keeping 80% of the original charge after 1000 cycles or more.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by idanb »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #117
idanb wrote: post #108

I recently bought a Samsung Edge for Samsung Gear development, and went abroad for a few weeks so ended up using it with the SIM card for that country while still keeping my phone alive. Apart from the benefits of the edge "design" not being too relevant for me, the biggest issue I had was accidentally hitting notifications when I pulled the phone out of my pocket. At one point I somehow accidentally deleted an app,…

I had a similar issue with places Android phones typically place a standalone "back" button, the bottom right of a phone. When reaching across the phone with my thumb I would constantly bump this back button. The experience was so frustrating on a Galaxy S3 that I change to an iPhone. I wondered if they have done enough user experience researching how people use the phone. I can't believe I'm the only person who ran…

That drove me crazy too - cap-sense buttons have been largely a customer experience fail, so not sure why it's gone on this long. I'm a big fan of the tactile "bump" feedback, and it's way too easy to do something by accident for even the most careful user.

It's funny how Apple did the "no buttons thing" because they were responding to a tech ecosystem that had a button for everything at the cost of the user getting overwhelmed. However, now there's no sanity in the other direction - with people avoiding buttons and making things so streamlined that they're harder to use.

In every age there's an innovate response to a cliche, but ultimately this becomes a cliche in of itself :)

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