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US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by chrisseaton »

bogomipz wrote: post #118
chrisseaton wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, and consumer law means any problem with a phone you bought from them is something you need to take up with them rather than Samsung, is that right? You bought your phone from a retailer. Where the retailer got it from and who they complain to about issues is their problem not yours.

That's correct. Isn't this desirable though?

I think so. The buck always stops with the person you actually dealt with. The retailers can use the same protection when buying their stock in bulk I presume, so defective products get passed all the way back down the line.

Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by MikusR »

dotancohen wrote: post #69

What phones are an alternative to the Note? I use my Note 3's stylus dozens of times a day. No other stylus comes close, as it uses Wacom technology as opposed to standard stylus' capacitance sensing. The Wacom technology needs the phone to support it. Are there any good stylii for writing text (i.e. dragging across the screen) for generic capacitance screens? All stylii that I've seen are good for selecting things (…

The only alternative to Note 3 is Note 4. Note 5 had limited release.

Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by MikusR »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #90
eksemplar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After 2 years my S2 became a slow unfunctional piece of dead tech. I tried resetting it through the Samsung tools, which didn't help, so I rooted it and tried different versions of basic android on it, which didn't help. At the same time I had two friends who were experiencing the same kinds of problems, who let me toy with their phones. It's completely anecdotal but three similar model phones breaking in exactly the…

To match an anecdote with an anecdote - I've been using S4 for 3 years, and then gave it to my brother (I've upgraded to S7 with contract renewal), who's been using it for the past year too. The phone is still going strong. Feels slow-ish today, true, but still better than some of the cheaper Android phones OOTB. I blame Android's continued bloat creep[0] for that slowdown though. My brother had S3 before, and so doe…

My original Galaxy S is still pretty usable if i turn off internet access because Google services have became so large they don't fit in memory.

Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by MikusR »

nkobeissi wrote: post #95

I want to understand how this story makes sense, and I can't. If you put the facts together, they don't add up. First, here's the chronology. 1. Original Note 7 phones were blowing up, Samsung issued a recall. 2. Samsung released (suspiciously quickly) a new phone that used new batteries made by Amperex, which also provides batteries for the iPhone line. [A] 3. A report comes in of a post-recall, "safe" phone blowing…

Most of the cases (probably all) featured at some point usage of third party USB-C cable/charger that could have damaged the battery.

Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by usaphp »

jshevek wrote: post #120
usaphp wrote: post #31

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Isn't "burn in" a big drawback for OLED screens?

Not in my experience. Years ago I had one device that did get burn in, but it faded over a couple of weeks back to a perfectly normal screen.

You just said that you had a device that got burn in and yet at the same time you are saying that it's not a problem. Waiting couple weeks to get burn in disappear does not sound like a "no problem" thing

Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by CountSessine »

rayiner wrote: post #108
CountSessine wrote: post #61

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They only consume more energy when displaying white. They consume very little energy when displaying black. OLED displays have a very wide color gamut. If you have source material that was tuned to it, there's really nothing like it. To get a similar gamut with LCD you need a quantum dot backlight. Samsung devices all have a screen mode where they constrain their gamut to sRGB for more accurate colors, though. In ter…

> They only consume more energy when displaying black. So just the entire Internet?

:-) It's ok - just cultivate an interest in all things emo/goth/death-metal and OLED is perfect.

Seriously though, from the above linked article,

While LCDs remain more power efficient for images with mostly full screen white content (like all text screens on a white background, for example), OLEDs are more power efficient for typical mixed image content because they are emissive displays so their power varies with the Average Picture Level (average Brightness) of the image content over the entire screen. For OLEDs, Black pixels and sub-pixels don’t use any power so screens with Black backgrounds are very power efficient for OLEDs. For LCDs the display power is fixed and independent of image content. Currently, OLED displays are more power efficient than LCDs for Average Pictures Levels of 65 percent or less, and LCDs are more power efficient for Average Picture Levels above 65 percent. Since both technologies are continuing to improve their power efficiencies, the crossover will continue to change with time.

At peak brightness with a pure white screen, the iPhone 7's screen draws 1.08 watts, whereas the Galaxy Note 7's draws 1.8 watts. So if you keep your phone at peak brightness, I guess that's one metric where LCD beats OLED.

Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by oldmanjay »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #90
eksemplar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After 2 years my S2 became a slow unfunctional piece of dead tech. I tried resetting it through the Samsung tools, which didn't help, so I rooted it and tried different versions of basic android on it, which didn't help. At the same time I had two friends who were experiencing the same kinds of problems, who let me toy with their phones. It's completely anecdotal but three similar model phones breaking in exactly the…

To match an anecdote with an anecdote - I've been using S4 for 3 years, and then gave it to my brother (I've upgraded to S7 with contract renewal), who's been using it for the past year too. The phone is still going strong. Feels slow-ish today, true, but still better than some of the cheaper Android phones OOTB. I blame Android's continued bloat creep[0] for that slowdown though. My brother had S3 before, and so doe…

The unofficial term is "human bias causing measurement error"

Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by CountSessine »

vamur wrote: post #106
CountSessine wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only consume more energy when displaying white. They consume very little energy when displaying black. OLED displays have a very wide color gamut. If you have source material that was tuned to it, there's really nothing like it. To get a similar gamut with LCD you need a quantum dot backlight. Samsung devices all have a screen mode where they constrain their gamut to sRGB for more accurate colors, though. In ter…

One issue with Samsung AMOLEDs I've noticed is the PWM effect - you can see it in any review of a Samsung phone where the phone is not on max brightness. The PWM effect can cause headache for people who are susceptible to the flicker.

Wow - I didn't know that. This is probably the same group of people who had problems with MEMS displays.

Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by sho_hn »

Veratyr wrote: post #119
sho_hn wrote: post #9

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LG has a top competitor out right now in the V20. Removable battery, MIL-spec drop proof, second wide angle rear camera, concert-capable stereo mics with manual controls, a second screen that's actually useful (it's located in what would otherwise be dead bezel next to the front camera, and shows e.g. notifications while fullscreen, or can be used as a taskbar), usable software (read: close to vanilla Android Nougat…

It all sounds good but it has a 5.7" screen, which kills it for me. It must be super hard to build a good, small phone or something.

This is partially down to the culture they come from. Koreans spend tons of time commuting on subways or sitting in coffeeshops, often watching video during both. The big screens are just a trade-of geared towards those use cases.

Re: US carriers halt Samsung Note 7 sales and replacements

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Post by [deleted] »

Veratyr wrote: post #119
sho_hn wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LG has a top competitor out right now in the V20. Removable battery, MIL-spec drop proof, second wide angle rear camera, concert-capable stereo mics with manual controls, a second screen that's actually useful (it's located in what would otherwise be dead bezel next to the front camera, and shows e.g. notifications while fullscreen, or can be used as a taskbar), usable software (read: close to vanilla Android Nougat…

It all sounds good but it has a 5.7" screen, which kills it for me. It must be super hard to build a good, small phone or something.

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