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for the same reason someone against marijuana legalization is anti-marijuana Thats the political stance directly opposed to support.
One of the biggest forces against marijuana legalization is from people currently in the marijuana business in one way or another. I very much doubt they're anti-marijuana.
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I don't think so. Is wanting to abolish marriage altogether being against straight people? Gay marriage != gay people. From what I've seen, the majority of people against gay marriage, religious people, aren't against gays per se, they just want to reserve the right of marriage for straight people. Eich didn't exactly vote to make homosexuality illegal.
>Is wanting to abolish marriage altogether being against straight people? Actually youd have to say, getting rid of marriage for straight people. And yes, if someone was saying we should get rid of marriage for straight people specifically, they are being anti-straight people; they are in favor of stripping rights away from a specific group of people against their interest. >the majority of people against gay marriag…
However, I don't think the path to get there is by denying rights to other people. It's clearly anit-gay to non-religious folks, but popular teachings of the bible (and the teachings of Jesus) prevent many people from seeing it.
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called on their bullshit == fired and harassed? The behaviour here is the repression and marginalisation of a political group, deemed unworthy.
>The behaviour here is the repression and marginalisation of a political group, deemed unworthy. a political group is something you choose to be a part of. This is significantly different from, say, skin color.
First, what of religious groups?
Second, there's' a bit of a slight of hand here. Many political groups claims to be representative of "demographic" groups, or at least the distinction isn't clear. Are pro-Israel groups demographic or political groups. What about about demographic groups that disseminate political opinions and actively get involved in political discourse?
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> Making the bullying of homosexuals (esp in the workplace) "not cool" We're not talking about that. We're talking about losing your job for (being found to) support[ing] prop 8. > The message is pretty consistent. Don't punch down. Unless you live in Palestine? No liberal ousting of pro-Israel CEOs. Of course, the reason might be is that the issue is a complex one, there are many reasons to be pro-Israel other than…
I'd love to hear a reason for supporting Prop 8 that doesn't explicitly degrade homosexual relationships. I can't think of any and I would be uncomfortable working around Prop 8 supporters (esp if I was gay). What is this nuance you speak of? Why must all issues be treated the same? Some issues are more complex than others.
I can't see this as any more than allowing punishment for having certain political beliefs...
> Why must all issues be treated the same? Some issues are more complex than others.
These issues are complex, they are just oversimplified to binary "with or against", "good or bad" by activists.
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In this context getting fired for political affiliation. > fellow citizens are absolutely free to judge you, talk mean about you, and otherwise belittle your views Even if your view is being gay is, or is not, natural. There are certain protections against freely expressing certain opinions. > If a public official arrests you for talking about your political beliefs, then and only then have your rights been infringed…
>In this context getting fired for political affiliation. Was he fired from a position in the federal government? Private businesses are free to fire whoever they like for almost any reason (cant fire someone for refusing to break the law, etc) Everything past that is just you feeling hurt that people dont agree with your opinions. Introducing legislation controlling private businesses hiring and firing practices is…
At-will, american businesses in certain cities and states, under certain restrictions. I don't see any reason not to condemn it - just because in may not be explicitly illegal in some places.
If he were an active gay-rights supporter, and fired for that, would you refuse to talk of it since in many place this isn't illegal?
Also, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure if executives are usually at-will, I was under the impression it was often contracted.
> Everything past that is just you feeling hurt that people don't agree with your opinions
Feeling hurt =/= feeling at risk of being fired, a valid concern.
> one of the most anti-conservative things i can think of
Is it?
> yet here you are claiming to be conservative
No I'm not. Plus, voting prop 8, and the vague distinction of "being conservative" are different things. Whatever my personal beliefs, I dislike the idea of this guy being fired for his political activity, I don't think you need to agree with his beliefs to take that position. Ever heard "..but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
> and yet complaining that the government is allowing companies too much freedom
I feel there would be uproar (in the valley) if the guy was fired for supporting prop 8. In truth I don't have so many complains on what the US government does, I don't live there; I do care about political ideologies that often get transmitted across the borders though.
> Losing a court case isnt 'speech'
Where does that distinction come in? Or the constitution. I never mentioned it. Freedoms and rights exist outside of the US constitution, in other countries for example.
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>In this context getting fired for political affiliation. Was he fired from a position in the federal government? Private businesses are free to fire whoever they like for almost any reason (cant fire someone for refusing to break the law, etc) Everything past that is just you feeling hurt that people dont agree with your opinions. Introducing legislation controlling private businesses hiring and firing practices is…
> Private businesses are free to fire whoever they like for almost any reason At-will, american businesses in certain cities and states, under certain restrictions. I don't see any reason not to condemn it - just because in may not be explicitly illegal in some places. If he were an active gay-rights supporter, and fired for that, would you refuse to talk of it since in many place this isn't illegal? Also, I'm no exp…
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I'd love to hear a reason for supporting Prop 8 that doesn't explicitly degrade homosexual relationships. I can't think of any and I would be uncomfortable working around Prop 8 supporters (esp if I was gay). What is this nuance you speak of? Why must all issues be treated the same? Some issues are more complex than others.
If I were uncomfortable with a co-workers religion, should they be fired? I can't see this as any more than allowing punishment for having certain political beliefs... > Why must all issues be treated the same? Some issues are more complex than others. These issues are complex, they are just oversimplified to binary "with or against", "good or bad" by activists.
Deal with everything on a case-by-case basis, is my point.
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What views do you find you can't express?
He mentions Brendan Eich who was ousted from Mozilla for his anti-gay views. I have little sympathy for someone who feels marginalized by views they choose to hold and express when I, as a gay man, could be marginalized simply for who I am, something I did NOT choose. While most people may be able to just put their political opinions on the shelf, any time discussion turns towards family or after-work hobbies I have…
PS- JavaScript is also unforgivable.
I'm a Republican. Been working in or for valley companies since 1998. Engineering then business. The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized. The left in the valley has become increasingly vocal, from the c-suite down, and I've been reluctant to express my views for fear of retaliation (See Mozilla's ex-CEO.) The valley isn't a place focused on the innovation and free thinking that gave it…
Still keen to hear which of your views have been marginalized.
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If I were uncomfortable with a co-workers religion, should they be fired? I can't see this as any more than allowing punishment for having certain political beliefs... > Why must all issues be treated the same? Some issues are more complex than others. These issues are complex, they are just oversimplified to binary "with or against", "good or bad" by activists.
This is specifically not about religion or some kind of hatred for war-hawks. Both of which are choices and therefore more complex. You are still skirting the issue. Why would someone support Prop 8 without trying to enforce some level of heteronormativity on the people around them? Until, I see any way for someone to care about who else can or cannot get married without being bigoted, this issue remains pretty binar…
This is an appeal to ignorance. Quite simply, you don't know.