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Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by Chris2048 »

unprepare wrote: post #90
Chris2048 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Things like casually mentioning something you did with your spouse last weekend might not be "political" to you How is it political for you? If it is political for you, shouldn't you support the idea of being able to express political views without fear of repriosal?

you mean without fear of /government/ reprisal. There is no freedom from criticism in this country, your fellow citizens are absolutely free to judge you, talk mean about you, and otherwise belittle your views. If a public official arrests you for talking about your political beliefs, then and only then have your rights been infringed upon.

In this context getting fired for political affiliation.

> fellow citizens are absolutely free to judge you, talk mean about you, and otherwise belittle your views

Even if your view is being gay is, or is not, natural. There are certain protections against freely expressing certain opinions.

> If a public official arrests you for talking about your political beliefs, then and only then have your rights been infringed upon.

Does being fined by a court after losing a lawsuit count as government reprisal?

Does getting fired for voting for Obama, or Trump count as having my right infringed?

What about being active, or critical, of LGBT activities? Can I be fired for that, so long as I'm not arrested?

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by Chris2048 »

jgroszko wrote: post #84
Chris2048 wrote: post #81

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> that is discriminatory And supporting abortion is supporting murder. And so is eating meat, etc etc. This is all political Framing & labelling. If it's on the ballot, its a valid politics, and so should be off the table wrt things like getting people fired.

Sure, straight white cis men can say "Oh that's all just political" but for someone who's gay, black, transgender, or female these issues effect nearly every aspect of your life. Every situation is viewed through that lens. Things like casually mentioning something you did with your spouse last weekend might not be "political" to you, but it is to me.

You added glib-ness to my statement, but being "political" doesn't mean it's not important, it means it's up for debate. This kind of attitude shuts down debate, demands one true opinion only.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by Chris2048 »

yardie wrote: post #35
elgabogringo wrote: post #10

I'm a Republican. Been working in or for valley companies since 1998. Engineering then business. The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized. The left in the valley has become increasingly vocal, from the c-suite down, and I've been reluctant to express my views for fear of retaliation (See Mozilla's ex-CEO.) The valley isn't a place focused on the innovation and free thinking that gave it…

If your views are in favour of the repression and marginalisation of others then you will find yourself in the minority in the left coast. I'm sorry, the right hold some pretty reprehensible views on gay marriage, police brutality, the poor and working class, and women's rights. Then, when they are called on their bullshit all of the sudden they are the victim. The rest of the world does not apologise if reality has…

called on their bullshit == fired and harassed?

The behaviour here is the repression and marginalisation of a political group, deemed unworthy.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by dang »

ryanx435 wrote: post #34

You obviously live in an echo chamber so let me explain it to you; If you believe that every life is sacred and has intrinsic value simply for being alive, and believe that a fetus is a life at the moment of conception, than abortion is murder and no different than gunning someone down in the street. Therefore abortion should be illegal. This isn't even a religious argument. For your friends that had their contracept…

This comment breaks the HN guidelines egregiously. If you can't remain civil and avoid name-calling, religious flamewars, and personal attacks, please don't post here, regardless of how strongly you feel or how badly wrong someone else is.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11737943 and marked it off-topic.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by dang »

ryanx435 wrote: post #44

Parent comment was never a conservitive or Republican, they are just a Bernie supporter lying about being a former conservative in an attmpt to make their argument carry more legitimacy.

Personal attacks are not allowed on Hacker News.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11738048 and marked it off-topic.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by mgo »

jgroszko wrote: post #32
pj_mukh wrote: post #13

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What views do you find you can't express?

He mentions Brendan Eich who was ousted from Mozilla for his anti-gay views. I have little sympathy for someone who feels marginalized by views they choose to hold and express when I, as a gay man, could be marginalized simply for who I am, something I did NOT choose. While most people may be able to just put their political opinions on the shelf, any time discussion turns towards family or after-work hobbies I have…

Just curious, why do you consider someone against gay marriage to be anti-gay?

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by perseusprime11 »

dang wrote: post #95
perseusprime11 wrote: post #54

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Was that good or bad?

If you're trolling, please don't.

I am trying to simply understand the true significance of 1984. Most online searches point me to George Orwell's book. I am definitely not trolling. Being young and born in the 80s it is hard to understand these kind of things.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by lostmsu »

tomlock wrote: post #57
joshuaheard wrote: post #46

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There was no evidence Eich was anti-gay. It was discovered he had donated to Prop 8, the California initiative which restated the status quo, that marriage is between one man and one woman, and which passed by a majority of California voters. For that political donation, he was ostracized and effectively run out of his job in Silicon Valley. San Francisco has always been one of the most liberal cities in the country,…

From your perspective, restricting marriage to a man and a woman isn't anti-gay. And that belief isn't inherently anti-gay in my view. But the real effect of enforcing laws surrounding that view includes: missing tax breaks, missing legal protections, not being able to visit your dying partner because you aren't next of kin. So the real world outcomes of the legal enforcement of that view are anti-gay and unfair.

At this moment, why would government give any tax breaks to gay couples if most of them (even in the states, where they are allowed) do not raise children (which, I believe, is the reason for those tax breaks in the first place)?
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