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Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by 9872 »

wozniacki wrote: post #83
puredemo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"All these Asian applicants look the same..." Seems to be her meta-message.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but 20% of those admitted were Asian American, for the class of 2019, in a country where less than 5%, self-identify as Asian-American.[1][2] https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/06/how-to-... [2] http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/06/how-to-...

Harvard accepts students from all over the world. Over 50% of the world is Asian.

Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by mwhuang2 »

crimsonalucard wrote: post #62
mwhuang2 wrote: post #39

“There’s something in the upbringing that makes Asians shy," At my first internship, people were commenting on how timid I seemed. I was used to obeying my parents and teachers without question; all I did was try to keep my head down and work harder. This sort of upbringing makes for great workers but bad leaders. I hope to come out of my shell more during the rest of college and my formative years.

As an asian, I think shyness is also genetic. My parents were pretty lax in terms of discipline. So lax, that I ended up going to a community college after high school and transferring to ucla after i got my act together. This didn't stop me from being shy. Shyness is just a heightened fear response that's triggered during social situations. I think for asians the threshold for this trigger just lower when compared t…

I'd be careful about having that mindset. Studies have shown that people conform to their stereotype e.g. Asian females taking a math test performed better when reminded they were Asian and worse when reminded they were female, because the stereotype is that Asians are better at math and females are worse at it (http://pss.sagepub.com/content/10/1/80.abstract).

I personally feel that few traits are truly immutable, and that a lot of it is really just in your head. People who conform to a belief end up becoming what they think, leading to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by 9872 »

1stop wrote: post #69
crimsonalucard wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title may refer asians as a minority. However, while asians definitely aren't a minority in the context of the world, they still are a minority in the context of the united states and Europe. All of that, however, is completely irrelevant of the issue. What is the issue? Vanity? No. The issue is racism. When a race delivers quantitative metrics that beats other races out of the water, what does it mean? When blac…

I think that's a bit literal. No one thinks all races are equal in a genetic sense, it is obvious they are different. They should be 'treated' equally is the thing we are taught. We all have our unique genetic advantages and disadvantages, but there shouldn't be social disadvantage based on genetics. It is good we are taught this, because it requires social change. Also to answer your points directly, they do not at…

There's no evidence that working harder isn't genetic, and a lot of evidence that suggests it is.

Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by nailer »

rsy96 wrote: post #80

One reason that Asians outperform other racial groups in the United States is overlooked in the article: the difficulty of immigration. Most whites and blacks are born within the US, and Hispanics are either born or move into the US by simply crossing a land border. For Asians to come to the US, they have to cross the Pacific Ocean. In order to do that, they have to be either rich (at least middle class), highly educ…

It's also entirely possible that, on average, Asian people are more intelligent than other groups. We won't really know for a long time, as discussing such things is taboo.

Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by 9872 »

ap22213 wrote: post #91
beachstartup wrote: post #78

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> I've never been offered a position by an Asian so... this feels like discrimination, which is understandable. > whereas I'm rarely not offered a position by a non-Asian. ... but does this feel like preferential treatment? because that's the logic you are presenting here. "when i don't get hired, it's because of discrimination. when i do get hired, it's because i'm a good hire, not because someone else was discrimin…

Certainly a valid point, but I decided against pointing it out, since because of market demands, pretty much anyone with a brain can get a job in tech, currently. That a particularly skilled and experienced candidate was being rejected so frequently either pointed to an innate bias, more selective criteria, or inflexibility in pay. Maybe all three.

You're still assuming you have a brain. Based on your comments here, there's no reason to believe that's justified.

Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by 9872 »

mwhuang2 wrote: post #39

“There’s something in the upbringing that makes Asians shy," At my first internship, people were commenting on how timid I seemed. I was used to obeying my parents and teachers without question; all I did was try to keep my head down and work harder. This sort of upbringing makes for great workers but bad leaders. I hope to come out of my shell more during the rest of college and my formative years.

When you look at white politicians and business executives in the US, do they seem like "good leaders" to you?

Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by 9872 »

ryanlol wrote: post #19

So uh, why aren't admissions implemented as an algorithm that reviews academic performance? Minor human intervention could be used to prevent mistakes by the algorithm... Or not, humans make mistakes too. But machines don't intentionally discriminate.

That would allow too many asians to get in.

Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by protomyth »

_yosefk wrote: post #27
protomyth wrote: post #22

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> Americans view everything in life through the race and skin color lens. It's becoming really exhausting and frustrating to deal with. As a popular TV program put it, it's America's original sin. Also, it factors into targeted politics that is in vogue. Separate everyone into groups and target them with specific (and sometimes conflicting) messages. It works, so I wouldn't expect a change.

Isn't it everyone's original sin? Which nation did not conquer the land it occupies today from some other nation? Which nation did not have the institution of slavery?

The US wrote slavery into its constitution and immediately started the attacks on the Native Americans.

Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by Kalium »

czep wrote: post #118
golemotron wrote: post #95

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It's very hard to believe that this redefinition of the word racism was done innocently. On its face racism is act of distinguishing people by race for favor or disfavor. When it is redefined as it has been in the humanities it leaves a vacuum. There's no longer a word for the concept that racism originally referred to.

Just because you learned of it just now doesn't make it a "re-definition". Who gave you the right to call your definition the real one?

The English language is one where words are defined by popular usage. Who gave you the right to call the definition you prefer the real one?

Re: The model minority is losing patience

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Post by Gigablah »

beachstartup wrote: post #67
crimsonalucard wrote: post #62

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As an asian, I think shyness is also genetic. My parents were pretty lax in terms of discipline. So lax, that I ended up going to a community college after high school and transferring to ucla after i got my act together. This didn't stop me from being shy. Shyness is just a heightened fear response that's triggered during social situations. I think for asians the threshold for this trigger just lower when compared t…

i'm asian and i think this theory is 100% full of shit. you're making excuses for your under-developed social skills. how embarrassing.

Speaking of "underdeveloped social skills", there's plenty of ways to disagree without coming off as a belligerent ass.
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