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Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "Microsoft apps" you mean any program compiled for Windows in addition to any of those that can run on an OS supported by VirtualBox. So the iPad can run iOS apps while the Surface can run virtually anything except iOS apps. They're not really comparable platforms.

Are you seriously suggesting that anything more than a tiny fraction of Windows apps are any good on a touch device?

You can run not only Windows Apps but Android Apps and Chrome Apps

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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post #7

It is in direct competition to the 'Surface Pro'.

Later edit. It's iOS for fuck sake. It's ridiculous to compare iOS with full Windows. A keyboard is not that useful in a TOUCH based OS.

> Later edit. It's iOS for fuck sake. It's ridiculous to compare iOS with full Windows. A keyboard is not that useful in a TOUCH based OS.

I've found a keyboard really useful with my Samsung Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 (Android). I don't see why it wouldn't be with iOS.

Heck, I find the keyboard on my Windows (originally 8, then 8.1, now 10), touch-enabled laptop quite useful too. The fact that an OS -- and the screen you use with it -- supports touch interaction doesn't suddenly mean that the device can't be used with a keyboard for the kind of things where keyboard interaction is useful.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "Microsoft apps" you mean any program compiled for Windows in addition to any of those that can run on an OS supported by VirtualBox. So the iPad can run iOS apps while the Surface can run virtually anything except iOS apps. They're not really comparable platforms.

Are you seriously suggesting that anything more than a tiny fraction of Windows apps are any good on a touch device?

You mean a touch device with a keyboard and stylus?

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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post #11

"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

In context Jobs was talking about a stylus as the only/primary input for the device, meaning you would be required to have a stylus to ever use the device. Of course that would be terrible. This stylus is an optional accessory with a very specific use case. A fundamentally different thing.

In context Jobs was talking about getting them, putting them away and losing them.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Not excited at all. Mobile OSes are crippled by design, especially iOS, so why would I spend this much when I can just get a real computer with a very similar form factor? Mobile OSes are fundamentally designed for quick, limited interaction use cases like ordering an Uber car or checking a web site, not for "real work." I'm sure someone will buy it, but I don't predict it'll be very big.

Just like the top of line products from any company. They fill a niche, and they're more about gaining a competitive edge than they are about generating tons of profit. You see one in a coffee shop, go to the store (instead of a competitor's) and see the price, and walk out with an Air 2.

Good point about total coverage. Apple probably does not want any gaps in their lineup that might be filled by Microsoft or Google or any other vendor.

I would just by a small form factor ultraportable laptop, but yeah -- it's about brand penetration.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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post #11

"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

This is Apple definitely responding to high-end pressure from increasingly successful Surfaces in the same way the iPad mini was a response to pressure from the low-end by small Android tablets. This is basically Apple saying "let's make a Surface with a bigger screen and do it the Apple way". It's weird seeing Microsoft participate in it. Other than size, there's not much that Android tablets need to respond to, the…

For some context, I'd disagree with the "low-end laptop" characterization, though if you mean "low-end" in terms of, say, Thinkpads and MacBook Pros, then yeah you're right on.

My Chromebook cost about 20 percent more than the keyboardcase alone, and I'm writing this comment on an i7 laptop with 8 gigs of RAM and a GeForce video card, which cost less than the pad and case. I get that there's some appeal in entering the Apple ecosystem, but for my needs, I don't think it's a "shot across the bow" of very many actual, full-featured laptops that I'm allowed to actually install stuff on.

(edit: Aaaand while I was looking up my laptop's specs, everyone else made the same comment as I. Leaving here in case it helps.)

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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post #5

I don't want it unless it has an exposed CLI without jail breaking.

Right? Why is this so difficult.

It's not about "difficulty", it's about control. Approximately 0% of Apple's customers (who don't frequent Hacker News etc) care about that sort of thing.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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What about Pencil from 53? http://www.fiftythree.com/pencil Edit: To clarify, seems like they shouldn't (maybe couldn't, but I don't see a TM on the 53 site) call it Pencil since there is already a device made specifically for iPad called Pencil.

The exact same thing will happen that happened with Facebook Paper. 53 will write an angry blog post, get some free publicity, and then Apple will say they aren't changing anything.

I said it then and I will repeat it now, if you want to avoid name collision you shouldn't give your product a simple one word name that relates directly to your product.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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post #2

It looks like it would be really awesome to have, but I have a feeling that it's going to be much more expensive than the current iPads. If that's the case, it almost makes more sense to buy a Surface Pro 3.

Or, if you like the form factor, are price conscious, and don't need a full desktop Windows box squeezed into it, a Galaxy Note Pro 12.2.

But, if you are already invested in the Apple ecosystem and are interested in the form factor, the iPad Pro probably makes a lot of sense.

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