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Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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Genuine question: is it about time that we start thinking about banning (most) swimming pools? Bear with me for a second. I continually hear tragic stories of them. A child drowning in front of their parents. Someone starting to drown, and accidentally drowning another person who tried to save them. Just the other day, I read a story of how at a bachelorette party the bride-to-be was jokingly pushed into a swimming p…

> we're more than happy to ban guns

Not in parts of the world that actually care about personal freedom and the responsibility that goes along with it.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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I watched a few of the rescues, and they were all of kids falling out of their floaties and seemingly unable to swim at all. What does it look like when an able swimmer encounters trouble? Would it look the same as the drowning response kicks in? Also, how do you differentiate the drowning response from someone that's just bad at treading water and floats low in the water? They might both be bobbing just in and out o…

I'm still curious about this: "What does it look like when an able swimmer encounters trouble?" Do adults drown as often as children?

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Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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I watched a few of the rescues, and they were all of kids falling out of their floaties and seemingly unable to swim at all. What does it look like when an able swimmer encounters trouble? Would it look the same as the drowning response kicks in? Also, how do you differentiate the drowning response from someone that's just bad at treading water and floats low in the water? They might both be bobbing just in and out o…

I'm still curious about this: "What does it look like when an able swimmer encounters trouble?" Do adults drown as often as children?

You'd be surprised. This is in Canada, not sure about the US.

Deaths per 100,000 people (drowning), Canada, 2006-2010:

0-4: 1.1

5-12: 0.6

13-17: 0.9

18-24: 2.2

24-34: 1.6

34-49: 1.4

50-64: 1.7

65+: 1.6

I don't have the source handy, but I'll try to dig it up.

Edit: Source - http://www.lifesavingsociety.com/media/157475/2013-cdndrowni...

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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When I was a kid (about 14 years old) we were playing with a few friends in a lake nearby. After a few hours of fun, I saw one of our friends popping up and down in the water and splashing the water with the hands. He was at no more than 3 meters from the shore and if he stayed on his toes he would've had his mouth above the water. I firstly thought he was messing with us, but I jumped in the lake for him after about 10 seconds.

There was no joke - he didn't knew how to swim and he was in real big troubles. Now, I don't think he would've really drowned in that shallow water, but I'm glad I jumped and I hadn't find out if he would have been able to make it by himself.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it? Did the boy do this intentionally? Did he go unconscious when entering the pool? Was he trying to stay under as long as he could? Why was he not moving at all on the way in? <- Down-mods for relevant questions.

I do not know for sure. My believe is, that kids at that age sometimes simply do not know what they are able to do or not. They watch others, as they climb down the ladder and they just imitate them, somehow expecting the same outcome. This boy for sure was not able to swim, but he probably didn't know it. He perfectly copied the behaviour of other people entering the pool and then was maybe completely stunned that h…

Yes, I could see someone trying to hold their breath and becoming unconscious before they are able to surface, however the urge to breath usually becomes overbearing for me long before I would become unconscious.

It's just an interesting situation to think about, because how would you know? And, why wouldn't someone come up? Obviously he became unconscious at some point, but was it due to not being able to breathe? Or did something else happen to him as he was entering the water (eg. aneuyrsm, heart failure, etc). It's hard to believe it could have been an intentional act of the kid (suicide at 6? probably not very common) or that he would go into that part of the pool in the way you described without knowing how to swim.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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post #74

A few weeks ago I was sitting 6 feet from the edge of a community pool while many parents and their children were swimming. Out of nowhere one of the lifeguards on the opposite end blows her whistle, jumps in and swims frantically across the pool to rescue a drowning boy 3 feet away from his mother . She was literally looking at him and didn't recognize he was drowning. The mother and child were only about 10 feet fr…

can't we have something like those fitness bands to be worn by children while in the pool - once a person starts drowning the heartbeat and other lifesigns are changing very characteristically and that can just turn the red light on lifeguards console on.

I think this product is trying to solve this by measuring immersion: https://www.iswimband.com/

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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My brother was a lifeguard for a few summers too. He was up in the Sierras in a BSA stream 'pool' and the training was much the same. He remembers a time when a little kid, as part of the initial swim eval everyone has to take, jumped off the end of the makeshift dock. He said the kid just sank like a stone. No bubbles, no struggle, nada. The very cold water just shocked the boy so bad he went right to the bottom. Mind you that about 30 or so people are now trying to do the same swim test and the water can be chaotic. Luckily my brother was trained for this. He saw that the kid didn't bubble, 'ok, fine, he's gonna push off the bottom'. He then saw that the kid didn't bend his legs when he got to the bottom, 'ok, sometimes they like the real cold water and just like to lounge at the bottom for a sec. He's got 1 mississippi, 2 mississippi, 3, annnnnnnnnnd now we have a problem'. My brother jumped into the stream and just yanked the kid. This boy was still very awake but petrified and shocked by the water's cold. He gasped for air, and was not cleared then for swim eval that week.

My brother also had some stories about the stream aspect of the pool, and that sometimes fishing hooks would wash downstream and the boys would step on them. He told me he never heard so bad a scream and fight as when a 11 year old stepped on one and had to have 3 grown men hold him down to take the barb out. If you don't know, for barbed hooks, you have continue to push the barb through the wound, a very unpleasant experience. The boy tried to run from the fear, and his scoutmasters had to endure punches and yells from the boy for his own good. Sends chills down my spine and I wasn't there like my brother was having to hold the kid.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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This didn't seem to do anything for me. I clicked on the kid I thought was in trouble and the video just paused. When I continued the video, I saw that I had in fact chosen the right kid, but I didn't see any way to interact with it at all, or acknowledgement if I had the right kid, etc. Windows 8, Chrome, ???

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#120

I would like to point out that any flotation device in a pool besides a life jacket is just asking for problems. I life-guarded for almost 10 years, the only way I would ever let anything that supported a human floating __besides__ an approved life jacket was if the pool was almost empty (such that the one person got my undivided attention) and if I knew the child to already be a strong swimmer. I highly encourage ev…

The biggest danger seems to be parents who let their children swim before they know how.
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