Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings • Hacker News Board

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by rosser » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 4:56 PM UTC

justwannasing wrote: post #110

rosser wrote: post #109

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...which means they should get shot by a cop? I don't think that's how "criminal justice" is supposed to work.

Now you're saying that is the norm. You're basing your statements on the internet scream, HN and Reddit and not reality. You're basing your statements on one-off happenings as it happens everywhere. These are things no engineer would hear of but you see statements like yours on HN all the time.

No, I'm not. We're specifically talking about the ~1000 people per year shot by police. You can't suddenly change the context of the discussion and tell me that my (apparently formerly) in-context comments are trying to paint some exaggerated, false picture of the entirety of citizen-police interactions. I'm very well aware that there are countless millions of citizen-police interactions every year that don't result in people getting shot. So? We weren't talking about them.

Let me put it this way: is it your position that in every single one of those thousand-odd cases, the person who was shot deserved it? If not, how many of them did?

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by sixothree » Tue, Jul 21, 2015, 8:40 PM UTC

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #72

sixothree wrote: post #69

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Please just stop acting like a jerk. These sorts of problems exist in many jurisdictions spanning all sorts of political boundaries.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php All cycles, top donors EVER are dominated by unions giving to democrats. Its 100% a partisan issue.

I'm not sure you're applying facts correctly. I'm sorry but I think you need to calm down in general an take a more critical approach to your ideas.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Post by jMyles » Wed, Jul 22, 2015, 4:45 AM UTC

serge2k wrote: post #59

jMyles wrote: post #5

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Can you imagine if your build process worked that way? "Yeah, the integration tests failed 400 times, but in all but one of them, it was the test runner that was the problem."

Or it could reasonably be "Yeah, the integration tests failed 400 times, but, in all but one of them, the failure was indicative of an actual problem with the system". 1 out of 400 could easily mean the police use justified force almost all the time. Of course then they probably wouldn't be firing investigators, but there you go.

I guess it depends on what counts as a "pass." I think that the state mortally wounding someone is always a failure. There are different severity levels, to be sure, but there's a reason that they're all investigated.

Even in the (in my estimation) relatively small fraction that are in fact truly, expressly legally justified, it's a failure on a different layer of the stack.