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Really? All of this is on your list? If I asked for 3 mandatory meetings a year you're NEVER going to work at my company? How do you go through life being so rigid on such relatively trivial issues?
Yeah, no kidding. I started thinking, "What makes you so fucking cool and unique to deserve all of this? Have you seen what people in India have to put up with to get a tech job? Why do you consider yourself better than them?"
a single room that fits thousands of people. What a nightmare. These "glass palace" offices may work for bankers or marketing teams. For programmers you could just as well plant their desks into the middle of a mall.
The offensive part is the people who say that open offices are MORE EFFICIENT than a traditional office. I have a hard time believing that one. Given how high programmer salaries are, the productivity loss due to open offices is almost definitely more than the office space savings. It seems like an introvert/extrovert thing. The introverts would prefer a quiet working space (and they're usually the best workers), but…
To be fair, I don't think everyone that uses the term "open office" is thinking "auditorium with 1000+ people." Attempting to extrapolate anything conclusions taken from open office environments of 4-10 people out to 1000+ people seems insane.
I wonder how you get around the giant room, and how its space is demarcated. How do you meet up with someone else who is in a faraway part of the room?
a single room that fits thousands of people. What a nightmare. These "glass palace" offices may work for bankers or marketing teams. For programmers you could just as well plant their desks into the middle of a mall.
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they made a building that covers 9 acres and put dirt and grass and trees on top of it.
Yes, obviously, but how is it possible for the building to withstand the weight of the dirt, grass and trees?
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That's not a very convincing line of reasoning at all. It's just the classic "there are starving children in Africa" slippery slope argument. What happened to striving for better? There's nothing wrong with that. Worse, it seems to unfairly distort things as well. On what basis have you concluded that this person thinks he's better than people from India? And I think except for a few bullet points he's not asking for…
That's not what a slippery slope argument is. I am not arguing that some event must follow inevitably from the other without presenting an argument for why this follows. Anyway, what bugs me so much is the entitlement. Sure, maybe you can find a job like that. But what makes you think that you deserve it? And yes, there is a problem with being entitled. The world is already too full of selfish assholes. I really woul…
So much entitlement...
I highly suspect your measurement of "too much entitlement" is a matter of your own jealousy.
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The only redeeming feature of open plan comes from Hamming's essay, you and your research: Another trait, it took me a while to notice. I noticed the following facts about people who work with the door open or the door closed. I notice that if you have the door to your office closed, you get more work ✥ done today and tomorrow, and you are more productive than most. But 10 years later somehow you don't ✥ know quite k…
The key takeaway from that to me is to at least have an office. Keep it open most of the time for communication, close it when you need privacy. The whole "easier to collaborate with others" with an open floor plan is just excuse. I communicate better over text chat anyway.
I don't know you of course but I really doubt that text chat would ever surpass the effectiveness of face to face communication.
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I could take or leave about half of your list, but parking...I'll never work for a company that doesn't provide parking for their employees. Either get space in a building with free parking, rent a space for your employees (it's not that much even in big cities) or give the option of heavily subsidized mass transit. My last place rented near a subway station, 2hr on-street parking, no nearby garages, would only cover…
CloudFlare is at 665 3rd St; it's 3rd/Townsend. 90% of the employees live nearby, take Chariot or other services, take BART (20-25 min walk), or take Caltrain (3 minute talk). 5 of us drive and park. I am paying $260/mo for my parking spot. It's not awesome, but it's not the end of the world.
My point is that parking (or some reasonable transit alternative) should be figured into the operating costs for the company. Acting like employees don't need to actually get to work is not a good way to run a business.
It should be $0/mo for your parking, your company should be getting you the space as part of your overall compensation/operating costs.
I should add, the office I worked at now sits empty, every single employee who worked there left (including myself).
Real companies understand that as part of their facility costs, they need to provide this stuff. So they pay for a parking lot when land is cheap, or pay for monthly parking in cities. Or they pay to subsidize mass transit. If a company doesn't want to pay for the cost of running a business in a place with expensive parking, then they should office where parking is cheap. If they don't want to pay for the cost of actually running their business, they shouldn't be in it.
It's the employee's cost to figure out how to get to work, it's the company's cost to figure out what to do with them once they get there.
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Yeah, no kidding. I started thinking, "What makes you so fucking cool and unique to deserve all of this? Have you seen what people in India have to put up with to get a tech job? Why do you consider yourself better than them?"
Why do you think you don't deserve that?
Beyond that, having enough of a salary to live on is all a person really needs. Having such an inflexible laundry list of demands just ends up making a person unhappy. I bet there are more hidden demands beyond this list. This just reeks of bad attitude, selfishness, and entitlement.
The happiest people are those who desire the least.
a single room that fits thousands of people. What a nightmare. These "glass palace" offices may work for bankers or marketing teams. For programmers you could just as well plant their desks into the middle of a mall.
The offensive part is the people who say that open offices are MORE EFFICIENT than a traditional office. I have a hard time believing that one. Given how high programmer salaries are, the productivity loss due to open offices is almost definitely more than the office space savings. It seems like an introvert/extrovert thing. The introverts would prefer a quiet working space (and they're usually the best workers), but…