Just whiny, but why does Ubuntu (or most distros) not give any idea of minimum/average disk required for install in their system requirements area? I know, I can customize the install so as to reduce or increase space requirements, but even a suggestion that "a straight default install requires around 2gb of space for programs, and 1gb for swap" would be helpful.
I can't answer the general question, but for what it's worth a 32-bit desktop install took up about 2.5G on disk.
Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala released
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
1) OS X. A tad fuzzy, but everything is rendered _accurately_. Consistent thickness and character tracking (spacing). 2) Windows. Everything is slammed into pixel boundaries, making it look clean. Verdana is optimized for this style of rendering, so it doesn't look terrible.. but it's definitely not accurate. 3) Ubuntu. Worst of both worlds. Fuzzy and inaccurate.
I am honestly having a hard time believing someone with decent eyesite can say ubuntu(3) is fuzzy while osx(1) is not, ubuntu obviously chooses sharpness over balance (H and E), however osx has virtually every lowercase character heavily aliased, its blurry to the point where its almost 2 shades lighter than its supposed to be and there are individual characters A, u, B, a where it is almost a joke
Ubuntu has similar (but not exactly the same) levels of fuzziness, but the rendering is inaccurate. Character tracking/spacing is the biggest issue, but there are others.
If you look at traditional fonts that are designed for print or general purpose use (e.g. Helvetica, Frutiger, Univers, Myriad, etc.), the accuracy and quality of OS X rendering stands out considerably. There is simply no comparison.. and once you get used to it, the small amount of "fuzziness" that you observe in small point sizes just doesn't bother you anymore.
Re: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala released
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
1) OS X. A tad fuzzy, but everything is rendered _accurately_. Consistent thickness and character tracking (spacing). 2) Windows. Everything is slammed into pixel boundaries, making it look clean. Verdana is optimized for this style of rendering, so it doesn't look terrible.. but it's definitely not accurate. 3) Ubuntu. Worst of both worlds. Fuzzy and inaccurate.
I am honestly having a hard time believing someone with decent eyesite can say ubuntu(3) is fuzzy while osx(1) is not, ubuntu obviously chooses sharpness over balance (H and E), however osx has virtually every lowercase character heavily aliased, its blurry to the point where its almost 2 shades lighter than its supposed to be and there are individual characters A, u, B, a where it is almost a joke
Re: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala released
#114It supports ARM; and a bunch of ARM-based netbooks are due out soon. They are cheaper and much more power efficient than intel's Atom etc. And Windows doesn't run on them (yet). I'm not a big linux vs. windows or ARM vs. intel fanatic, but I'm excited at what seems to be a disruptive inflection point coming up in the next year or so...
Being Windows-proof is, definitely, a feature for me ;-)
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
you must have a fast machine... Try installing windows 7 or snow leopard on a computer with 2gb of ram and a 2 year old processor... then the eye candy won't really add to the experience.
Windows 7 is running on my 1.6ghz Sempron w/ 1GB of ram. I turned off the major eye candy (aero) and it still looks great and runs fine. That PC is the 'family' computer - so basically all it's used for is Surfing, streaming music through iTunes and instant messaging. It used to run ubuntu but everyone complained about how ugly it is - and I wasn't going back to XP. At least with Win7 I'm in the clear anti-virus wise…
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Even with msttcorefonts installed?
The problem is that it doesn't look good out of the box. I shouldn't have to hack a bunch of stuff together to get it working properly.
Re: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala released
#118but as always, I'm very scared to update.
Amen. I just can't get excited about fixing broken stuff on linux by tweaking text files any longer.
Re: Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala released
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Amen. I just can't get excited about fixing broken stuff on linux by tweaking text files any longer.
Is editing the registry or hunting down drivers for a new version of Windows better? Or how about waking up to Snow Leopard having deleted your $HOME folder? Operating systems have their issues - it's inevitable...
When was the last time that installing a new Windows involved registry hacks. I'll admit that I haven't used Windows 7 or Vista, but I don't remember hacking the registry on Win95/98/ME/2k/XP installs.
Maybe you shouldn't get so bent out of shape so quickly. It's not like he was bashing Linux and promoting Windows/OSX. If someone gripes about Windows do you immediately rush in to make comparisons to similar problems in OSX or Linux?
With the way that Ubuntu does releases though, it's little wonder that people are scared to update. It's been a revision or two since Ubuntu pushed Xorg over to using evdev for mouse handling/etc, and my Thinkpad's TrackPoint is still only recognized as a regular mouse (no scrolling) when previous Ubuntu revisions had readily setup scrolling automatically for me.
{edit} I'll add there are multiple blog posts, and a LaunchPad report, IIRC with the fix... which the Ubuntu devs have not seen fit to include in Ubuntu, so a fresh install mean applying all of the fixes. {/edit}
With the update to Jaunty (9.04), I've had a few woes with my Atheros chipset:
1. ath5k was forced as the default out-of-the-box driver for Atheros chipsets over the previous madwifi (ath_hal) driver.
2. ath5k is flakey whenever I come home and connect to my wifi network... even when the laptop is 2 feet away from the access point. It will connect/disconnect from the network 2-5 times before deciding to stay connected.
3. If I change position in my room (with the access point in the middle), the same connect/disconnect 'settling' period still needs to happen.
4. /var/log/syslog is filled with spam from NetworkManager with messages along the lines of this (even when I see no visible disconnects in nm-applet):
'disconnect from network (mynetwork)'
'connect to network (null)'
'disconnect from network (null)'
'connect to network (mynetwork)'
5. There are unexplained slow downs in the network with the ath5k driver. For the longest time I thought that my ssh woes (random 'hangs' that last 2-6 seconds) over my network were the problem of the server, but since I've switched back to madwifi they've vanished.6. The madwifi driver still doesn't play nice with suspend-to-ram (and maybe suspend-to-disk but I haven't tested it). It will refuse to work after waking back up (and a modprobe -r/modprobe doesn't help). Ubuntu could easily fix this... Just need to drop `SUSPEND_MODULES="$SUSPEND_MODULES ath_hal"` into a file in '/etc/pm/config.d'. This problem has existed for at least 2 or 3 revisions of Ubuntu (maybe more). The fix is on the web and on Launchpad.net, but I have yet to see the fix make its way into an official release.
If me, as someone that knows my way around Linux, can get frustrated with these issues, then how can 'Bringing Linux to the Masses' be anyway near achievement? My laptop isn't exactly a brand new laptop with highly unsupported hardware. I'm running a ThinkPad X41.
[ Oh, and did I mention that the headphone jack stops working after the second time I suspend/resume after a fresh boot? I'm perfectly willing to work with the Ubuntu devs on Launchpad, but all of my suggestions/information is apparently falling on deaf ears. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/101986 ]
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use a few packages from http://www.getdeb.net/ and have several PPAs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas installed as well so there's some secondary lag there as those developers release new packages for 9.10. Which shouldn't be too long, really. My main concern with this release is the ongoing, phantom ext4 (and sometimes 3?) corruption problem. Depending on which reports you read, it affects 64-bit installations s…
Out of curiosity ... why do you use the 64bit version? Do you have more than 4GB of ram?
As you can see, x86-64 isn't just about memory size.