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A Russian TV Insider Describes a Modern Propaganda Machine

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Sometimes all you need to do to create propaganda is just show some unpopular facts in isolation. Sure, they're biased, but that doesn't mean they are always outright lying -- at least not more than American media. The idea of a unbiased news is a pipedream. I'm fully aware that German public television was intentionally created in a way that would supposedly protect it from the government's influence, but that doesn…

The propaganda of RT is pretty easy to spot almost everywhere and is systemic. > Sometimes all you need to do to create propaganda is just show some unpopular facts in isolation RT does quite a bit more than that. In Russia there are less alternatives to state media. CNN, sure, I would not trust them, too.

Implying English RT is targeted at Russians, which it is not.

English RT and English Al Jazeera are international channels, like BBC World.

That said, some of the programming on RT is pretty similar in nature to what you'd find on, say, Arirang TV (an English South Korean channel). I.e. less (political) propaganda and more good old (commercial) PR.

If I'd have to say anything good about RT versus other international news channels, it's their coverage of the protests in Turkey. Even in Germany (where Turkey is seen as no more foreign than Greece or Italy and a significant share of the population has ties to Turkey) the protests were at best a footnote of the regular news reporting. RT on the other hand would have reporters right in the middle of it, getting teargassed and documenting the different motivations for the various groups involved.

Oh, and of course our media was extremely supportive of the rebellion in Syria despite the growing influence of Islamist groups. Until they decided to change directions completely when ISIS/ISIL showed up. And now they refer to them (supposedly objectively!) as "terror militia IS".

Frankly, calling anything a "terror militia" while pretending to be objective is pretty damn insulting. It completely discards any notion of them having any motives or being in fact humans. It's how you talk about an enemy in your propaganda when you're at war, it's not how you cover a news story.

Calling German media "Lügenpresse" is silly, but not because it's outrageously inaccurate. It's silly because all media is inadvertently lying. You can't just present the "facts" because they're inconsistent, disjointed and confusing (because they're not only incomplete, but also always subjective). But as soon as you start to create a narrative, you're simplifying the facts and introducing a biased perspective. Yet you have to create narratives to make the news relateable and interesting to your audience (and stakeholders).

What's the alternative? I don't think there is one. Blogging and "YouTube journalism" is a start, but it's already been subverted at this point. It's no more difficult to feed misleading or biased information via individual "citizen reporters" than it is to influence corporate/national media. I guess correct attribution would go a long way, but now that "official" news programmes directly copy YouTube videos and online articles seem to be more about editorialising than citing the actual sources, I don't see that happening -- no party (other than the audience) would benefit from more accountability in the news, sadly.

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We have engineered GMO food so why not engineered news media? Free speech is really a mechanism to protect advertisers. As I feel myself as a sort of penned livestock that gets to choose between competing capitalists, all I can say is I'm off Western news media as it gives me diarrhea, but if you can consume it then more power to you.

Just like GMO is merely a continuation of the manual engineering ("cultivation") that has been going on since the earliest days of human societies, biased media is nothing new at all, sadly.

Although the Luddites would have you think it's a novel problem, news never where unbiased in the first place. Sure, good journalistic self-control can go a long way in preserving the original information, but that information in itself is biased already.

There's another analogy about processed food and processed information here, but it's still a matter of where you can source what you can consume. Buying local means you'll have to abstain from foreign material, which I don't think is an option for many when it comes to news.

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I don't really believe Putin's approval ratings. In Russia there is no free press and private companies or academic institutes can be controlled at will by the executive branch. So if any institute or private company conducts a poll... well...

I'm afraid I believe the role of the Emp(eror/ress)/Tsar(ina)/Premier/President in Russia is akin to the role of a Father-at-large. So basically, people know he's flawed, they're not innocent, afterall, but they feel protective of him. They take him personally. So an attack on him, by the media, by western institutions, are, indirectly an indictment on them. I think this has foundation in how the country has always h…

This is how my wife has explained it (she's Russian born). Regarding Putin's popularity, it's actually true.

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A plurality of voices which all say precisely the same things; Israel and US good, Muslims (except for our friends the Saudis) and Russians bad. The only difference between the Russian system and the US system is the Rooskies are more honest and straightforward about it, and in the US, people delude themselves into thinking there is a difference between the world view presented in MSNBC and Fox news. The main differe…

I know plenty of sources who condemn Israel and the US. In the case of "Russia" as a villain, well, often the media doesn't really voice any opinion about who's bad or good, but 200 murdered journalists, no dissenting media, conquering foreign territory, tolerating extreme corruption etc just doesn't sound that well, but is supported by fact.

I keep hearing "200 murdered journalists" -I have not really seen any evidence that it was done by the Russian government, rather than the mafiosos the present Russian government has been demonized in the US for attempting to remove from power.

As for "no dissenting media, conquering foreign territory, tolerating extreme corruption etc" -I can't tell which country you're talking about. Whenever I hear some slavophobe ranting about the Russians, it seems some peculiar case of projection.

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The propaganda of RT is pretty easy to spot almost everywhere and is systemic. > Sometimes all you need to do to create propaganda is just show some unpopular facts in isolation RT does quite a bit more than that. In Russia there are less alternatives to state media. CNN, sure, I would not trust them, too.

Implying English RT is targeted at Russians, which it is not. English RT and English Al Jazeera are international channels, like BBC World. That said, some of the programming on RT is pretty similar in nature to what you'd find on, say, Arirang TV (an English South Korean channel). I.e. less (political) propaganda and more good old (commercial) PR. If I'd have to say anything good about RT versus other international…

> Implying English RT is targeted at Russians, which it is not.

I did not imply that. English and German RT is propaganda for foreign viewers.

> RT on the other hand would have reporters right in the middle of it, getting teargassed and documenting the different motivations for the various groups involved.

I don't think being teargassed makes good reporting.

> Islamist groups. ... "terror militia IS

These are different groups.

> It's silly because all media is inadvertently lying

Wrong.

> What's the alternative?

Definitely Rt is no alternative. They don't even try to sort through the facts.

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"The Pegida participants were very willing to talk to him. They said that western media is all corrupt and unfree, and that Russia Today is a "welcome" and more honest alternative." And how are any of the the above concerns baseless? Media cartels, whether Western or otherwise, are organized in a hierarchy, wherein editors review and cull the content of their subordinate journalists. Such an arrangement results in a…

If you say stupid things, then that is your right. But if I then say that I think you are stupid, that is also my right. What you don't seem to understand is that our media is "controlled" by a free market. There are tons of online magazines which share your world view. The audience can choose these outlets. If news media with these world views were popular enough, they would get their own TV channels, and the money…

>What you don't seem to understand is that our media is "controlled" by a free market.

What you don't seem to understand is that you're arguing against yourself.

On one hand you decry the increasingly mainstream "Russia Today"'s alleged partiality. On the other hand, you use an appeal to economics to dismiss Western media's pro-Israel partiality. In other words, the manipulation of discourse by Israel-partisan Jews is excused via free market economics, yet, Russia's national media outlet---created by way of the market with Russia's wealth---is dismissed via appeals to ethics... ethics which Western media itself fails to practice.

Gentile-controlled media outlets such as Al Jazeera and Russia Today can no longer be dismissed as "fringe". Indeed, the West may be just one more WMD-war away from a widespread loss of trust in Western, Israel-first media.

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I posted this before: Clearly the Cambodian and Indochina people went through an awful period. Pol Pot did extreme things as a leader but the alternative of leaving Lon Nol in power who had people starving was not good either. Whether communism or Islamic fundamentalism, anti-colonialism wars are not fun to live through. Here is a perspective I picked up from the Internet. "A Finnish inquiry commission concludes that…

I'm Finnish and I'm curious about this "Finnish Inquiry Commision" into Cambodia. I haven't heard of such a (government) commission or investigation, and I'm pretty sure that if one ever existed, I'd have heard about it. I tried to google for it, but found nothing very tangible. Incidentally, many of the references to such a supposed Finnish government commission are made by sites (for instance globalresearch.ca) tha…

Kampuchea: Decade of Genocide: Report of a Finnish Inquiry Commission by Kiljunen, Kimmo (Editor) Publisher: Zed Books, London Date published: 1984 ISBN-13: 9780862322083 ISBN: 0862322081

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I'm Finnish and I'm curious about this "Finnish Inquiry Commision" into Cambodia. I haven't heard of such a (government) commission or investigation, and I'm pretty sure that if one ever existed, I'd have heard about it. I tried to google for it, but found nothing very tangible. Incidentally, many of the references to such a supposed Finnish government commission are made by sites (for instance globalresearch.ca) tha…

Kampuchea: Decade of Genocide: Report of a Finnish Inquiry Commission by Kiljunen, Kimmo (Editor) Publisher: Zed Books, London Date published: 1984 ISBN-13: 9780862322083 ISBN: 0862322081

Cannot find it in the library system with that malformed ISBN number.

It appears rather strange that a "Finnish Government inquiry" would only be published by someone called Zed Books in London.

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Kampuchea: Decade of Genocide: Report of a Finnish Inquiry Commission by Kiljunen, Kimmo (Editor) Publisher: Zed Books, London Date published: 1984 ISBN-13: 9780862322083 ISBN: 0862322081

Cannot find it in the library system with that malformed ISBN number. It appears rather strange that a "Finnish Government inquiry" would only be published by someone called Zed Books in London.

Here is the curriculum vitae of Dr. Kimmo Kiljunen. http://www.secretariagrulacuip.org/web/attachments/article/6... Forget the ISBN, search on Kampuchea Inquiry Commission, 1980 - 82. $6 bucks on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/086232209X/ref=tmm_pa...
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