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The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by devindotcom »

ANTSANTS wrote: post #69
krelian wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8chan can't be mentioned because it's a competitor I assume? But what about Gamergate, why is it taboo to discuss it?

The official reason was along the lines of "I don't want to host another Project Chanology," but it probably had more to do with the fact that moot was closely involved with at least one Gawker Media employee[1] and spoke at XOXO[2] alongside numerous companies and organizations that the Gamergate movement is adversarial towards. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2gvtrp/ [2] http://knowyourmeme.com…

That's not what conflict of interest means

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by tricolon »

jedberg wrote: post #98
fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhone

Hah, good point. That might be the only one that actually works. However, it has an advantage in that it's rarely the start of a sentence (usually it will be The iPhone), and anyone using a Mac will have it autocorrect.

> usually it will be The iPhone

So the brand still doesn't work, since Apple never uses an article.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by maresca »

I went to Startup School in New York last year and saw moot there. While outside between presentations, someone in the crowd called out "Chris, Chris Poole!" and some other memes at him. He seemed really put off by it and hightailed it out of there. I'd imagine he gets that often and could understand how that could be draining.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by ANTSANTS »

steveklabnik wrote: post #107
Kalium wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ever heard the phrase "my right to extend my arm stops at your nose"? Great idea. Easy to misapply, because with speech people are very bad at knowing where their nose actually is. Having hurt feelings from something someone said? Not being hit in the nose, but I know plenty of people disagree.

Let's be real here, SWAT teams showing up at your house is far different than 'having hurt feelings from something someone said.'

Members of the anti-GG and social justice crowds have carried out similarly stupid and counterproductive acts of aggression and bullying. They still all deserve a voice and home.

SWATing is horrible, but IMHO you should be placing more of the blame on our fucked up militarized police system that lets bored teenagers send an armored car full of soldiers, armed to the teeth and ready to kill to anyone's house with a single phone call. If it takes a few SWATings for the public to realize that this is completely unacceptable, so be it.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by bacongobbler »

digi_owl wrote: post #70
redthrowaway wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GG and 8chan are the least of 4chan's problems if they were trying to sell. Constant loli, gore, and racist threads would be a far bigger turn off to a potential buyer. GG and 8chan threads were just banned because of his personal beliefs.

Yeah, i'm not sure how you would monetize a place like 4chan. Most high paying ads would likely shun it like the plague, so as to not have their brands forever socially tainted.

pure speculation, but I'm pretty sure brands which are already socially tainted by the general public (e.g. adult entertainment) would gladly take up 4chan for ad space and visibility.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by pjc50 »

ANTSANTS wrote: post #102
x0x0 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is, to be blunt, bullshit. Frederick doesn't let them do their thing; he actively enables it. That's significantly different. Comparisons to Hitchens are similarly misleading; there is a large difference between enabling vs not stopping. While I support eg the KKK or gamergate jerks' right to talk and organize, I'm damn well not helping pay for it.

A guy that has been using 4chan and other anonymous messageboards since he was 12 acts and thinks like a 4chan user. What a shock. I know it's not the same to you, but if you look at the top 15 boards on 8chan, that list includes a board that Fredrick likely has no interest in (gay porn), boards full of users that he probably disagrees strongly with (/leftypol/, a left wing version of /pol/, and /christian/, iirc he…

I would say "enabling" applies to all of those examples apart from supporting it on twitter, which counts as "supporting".

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

nemothekid wrote: post #95
ANTSANTS wrote: post #82

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That's fair, but then he shouldn't have been surprised when his site started hemorrhaging users who were there entirely for the freedom of speech they enjoyed. 8chan will probably last much longer than 4chan precisely because Fredrick refuses to make those judgement calls about what is and isn't acceptable. He doesn't need to bear a heavy conscience about what kind of speech he is allowing, he just follows the law to…

> he shouldn't have been surprised when his site started hemorrhaging users who were there entirely for the freedom of speech they enjoyed. Is this an accepted stat or is this a soundbite used by 8chan supporters? I've seen this repeated often, but it doesn't seem true. According to the archive stats ( https://archive.moe/vg/statistics/activity/ , https://archive.moe/a/statistics/activity/ , https://archive.moe/v/sta…

I could imagine Digg management having a similar conversation about Reddit.

Not saying you're not totally right. You probably are. But underestimating competitors is how they win.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by makomk »

na85 wrote: post #60
matthewmacleod wrote: post #45

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I don't think Reddit's shown us anything of the sort, really. I expect people have a habit of reading too much into this kind of thing.

Look, when everyone gets to be king of their own sandcastle, you obviously end up with a larger number of smaller castles. But the not-so-obvious consequence is that because people implicitly know they can just start making their own sand castle, it foments divisiveness because all of a sudden everyone "knows" they can do a better job moderating/curating/whatever, and they're sick of seeing $content_type in what they…

People on 4chan don't just complain, entire board subcultures have completely vanished along with the people in them. For example, /u/ used to be the unofficial lesbian advice and discussion board, and there was an entire community there co-existing happily with the porn posters and seekers. Got wiped out overnight by a new mod who decided the board should be solely for yuri porn, pissing off everyone in the process - and now the /u/ culture of that time is dead, with no record it ever even existed. (moot added a proper board for LGBT discussions a few years later for unrelated reasons.)

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by headwayoldest »

ANTSANTS wrote: post #114
steveklabnik wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be real here, SWAT teams showing up at your house is far different than 'having hurt feelings from something someone said.'

Members of the anti-GG and social justice crowds have carried out similarly stupid and counterproductive acts of aggression and bullying. They still all deserve a voice and home. SWATing is horrible, but IMHO you should be placing more of the blame on our fucked up militarized police system that lets bored teenagers send an armored car full of soldiers, armed to the teeth and ready to kill to anyone's house with a si…

>Members of the anti-GG and social justice crowds have carried out similarly stupid and counterproductive acts of aggression and bullying.

It's not directly relevant to the topic, but if you really believe this you should better educate yourself with regard to what has been done in the name of gamergate.

>IMHO you should be placing more of the blame on our fucked up militarized police system that lets bored teenagers send an armored car full of soldiers, armed to the teeth and ready to kill to anyone's house with a single phone call. If it takes a few SWATings for the public to realize that this is completely unacceptable, so be it.

SWATing has been an ongoing thing for quite a while, with a few cases making their way into mainstream news. Perpetrators (when caught) are prosecuted quite heavily. Waving off SWATing as not the fault of places which allow and encourage harassment in the form of doxing just because the military industrial complex exists seems like blaming auto manufacturers for drunk drivers.

Re: The Next Chapter – moot retires from 4chan

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Post by wmil »

Mckey wrote: post #72
redthrowaway wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GG and 8chan are the least of 4chan's problems if they were trying to sell. Constant loli, gore, and racist threads would be a far bigger turn off to a potential buyer. GG and 8chan threads were just banned because of his personal beliefs.

What's wrong with loli, gore and racism? I get avatarfags and theri lolis, but gore and racism?

The site isn't worth much if advertisers don't want to be associated with the content.
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