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Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by ogig »

rgbrenner wrote: post #107
diminoten wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I post a Spanish story to HN (or Reddit) and use the title of the article as the submission title? Will the company hosting the site have to pay up?

NO, because neither Reddit nor HN operate in Spain, and therefore are not subject to Spannish law.

That's not so clear. I don't know the in an outs of this specific law, but for example a gambling site has to comply with Spanish law if it serves to spaniards. No matter where it's legally located. That's why most gambling .coms geo blacklist spanish or redirect them to the spanish law compliant version of their service.

Same with consumer laws, those apply if I buy a product in other country. For example Spanish law says I can get a refund 7 days after the purchase, no reason required.

Yea, doesn't make sense and probably they can't enforce many of these, but that's how they are redacted. I would set the legal team on alert mode if I were Reddit/Twitter/Facebook/Menéame.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by ww520 »

rsync wrote: post #13

Things are going very badly for a global internet if we are discussing a web site "shutting down in spain". Of course we all know what that means and it seems very sensible in 2014, but remember - if someone had told you in 1998 that a certain website would not be operating in country X, you would have laughed and explained to them (like a child) that the Internet was a single global network and that if one had Inter…

I think you have misinterpreted the news. It's not Google News is shutting down in Spain. It's just Google can't no longer link to news stories in Spanish news publishers without paying. Google News can still run fine in Spain, just without the local stories. Presumably global news or Spanish news from other sources can still be viewed in Google News if Google chose not to shut it down.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by smtddr »

KobaQ wrote: post #101
hueving wrote: post #78

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It's remarkable that someone today tries to insult Google by claiming they aren't creating content. EVERYONE knows this. People use Google because they are great at organization information, not making it.

There's a difference between Google Search and Google News. It is already an achievement to write the headlines of the news and to rank the importance of a piece of news. I consider this and all the editorial also as content. With Google Search, Google does the ranking etc. and provides a substantial own service on demand to a specific search. People always go to the original site if it fits their search request. All…

This is like being angry at a public library because it didn't write any of the books it contains.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by _navaneethan »

mimighost wrote: post #106
raldi wrote: post #82

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You've misinterpreted the story as, "Google News won't be accessible to browsers in Spain." The actual story is, "The 'Spain' version of Google News won't be accessible to anyone."

And I think Google won't be the only one to retreat here. Facebook have a lot of new aggregation related features, I don't think they will choose to comply. Twitter will also be subjected to this, it is interesting to see now a simple retweet might be in fringe of breaking the law.

How come they are accepting if their page shows up in the first page of Google Search results for the search keyword?

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by notjackma »

uniformlyrandom wrote: post #58
notjackma wrote: post #21

"As Google News itself makes no money (we do not show any advertising on the site) this new approach is simply not sustainable. " Rubbish! Google's Human Resources department doesn't make any money either, yet it exists, along with other loss-making divisions. Google as a whole is a very profitable company, and it could easily pay publishers over the long run. It just doesn't want to.

If you think that HR department is a charity, then you do not really understand what HR department does. Try running a company without one, and see how much money you lose.

Try reading what I wrote again.

Google employs lots of people who work on things which do not directly generate revenue themselves, but which do contribute to the company's overall profit and loss. Such as HR.

However, based on Google's bitchy blog post, were they to treat all such projects and departments equally like Google News, thousands of people would be pink-slipped tomorrow. Get it now?

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by EpicEng »

KobaQ wrote: post #60
deeviant wrote: post #37

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Well, they are not just removing all Spanish news sources from the Spanish Google news site, they are removing the Spanish Google news site , which seems pretty consistent with his characterization.

This is remarkable, as we could conclude that Google News can't or don't want to create content on their own, but only copy from other sources.

So, what are you insinuating exactly? That Google should stay away from providing any sort of news completely unless they are willing to build a team of journalists? What's wrong with aggregation?

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by hrktb »

rsync wrote: post #13

Things are going very badly for a global internet if we are discussing a web site "shutting down in spain". Of course we all know what that means and it seems very sensible in 2014, but remember - if someone had told you in 1998 that a certain website would not be operating in country X, you would have laughed and explained to them (like a child) that the Internet was a single global network and that if one had Inter…

I am not sure about that. Were any of the AOL sites available in Russia or Japan in 1998? Also didn't compuserve do the same and block their services from non paying users (which means if your country's credit card is not accepted you are SOL)?

I am under the impression that walled gardens and splitting by countries or networks were also pretty common.

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by ogig »

diminoten wrote: post #100
raldi wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've misinterpreted the story as, "Google News won't be accessible to browsers in Spain." The actual story is, "The 'Spain' version of Google News won't be accessible to anyone."

What if I post a Spanish story to HN (or Reddit) and use the title of the article as the submission title? Will the company hosting the site have to pay up?

My reading of the analysis floating around is that, been strict with the current text, yes. Both HN and Reddit are covered by the broad definition of the service this law will apply to. Twitter and Facebook could be on the bag too depending on interpretation. The law doesn't seem to consider if the source of the link is human or automatic.

For that very reason many are worried about Menéame fate, a very popular Reddit-like site here in Spain.

I think this is a good overview in English: https://medium.com/@JulioAlonso/the-story-of-spains-google-t...

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by gasull »

notjackma wrote: post #115
uniformlyrandom wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think that HR department is a charity, then you do not really understand what HR department does. Try running a company without one, and see how much money you lose.

Try reading what I wrote again. Google employs lots of people who work on things which do not directly generate revenue themselves, but which do contribute to the company's overall profit and loss. Such as HR. However, based on Google's bitchy blog post, were they to treat all such projects and departments equally like Google News, thousands of people would be pink-slipped tomorrow. Get it now?

If it makes no financial sense to Google to run Google News Spain, why should they keep it running?

Re: Google News to shut down in Spain

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Post by waps »

wtbob wrote: post #80
rgbrenner wrote: post #44

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Just to be clear, Google is subject to this law because Google operates and has offices in Spain. It seems reasonable that Google should comply with the laws of where they do business.

But the law itself does not seem reasonable. It's a violation of fair use. Lest we forget, Google News links to the articles themselves . It provides a service to news organisations, for—as far as I'm aware—free.

Uh ? Fair use is (part of) a law. Laws are not subject to fair use. You are subject to laws, and yes, this changes some aspects of the legal concept that is called fair use (quotation rights), and that simply changes fair use.

Quoting Spanish news sources should no longer be considered fair use inside of Spain.

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