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Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by dredmorbius »

rwallace wrote: post #53
reedlaw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not encourage people to pay for services they use and enjoy? The ad-supported services have mixed motives at best and tend to compromise on privacy when it affects their bottom-line. Also, there are other reasons for blocking ads besides simple annoyance. They tend to be hosted by 3rd party domains that can track browsing history across sites.

Micro-payments are a bad idea because making decisions costs mental energy, and the energy cost declines more slowly than the amount, so if you have to decide to pay a couple of cents to read an article, you end up spending more than a couple of cents worth of mental energy making the decision. It's a dead loss. Advertising is a better business model all around.

I agree with you that micro-payments doesn't work.

I disagree that advertising is the only alternative.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by visarga »

rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

> Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms

It's either clean internet or no internet for me - I can't stand the ads.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by nikolak »

Sprint wrote: post #63
pandog wrote: post #48

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But I don't want to use a strategy, I want to click a button and have adverts blocked.

Then HTTPSB is not the right extension for you.

Then it should not be compared to adblock.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by Sae5waip »

pjc50 wrote: post #76
jacobgreenleaf wrote: post #64

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Then again, maybe the alternative methods of funding won't emerge and AdBlock will destroy the web as we know it.

Fine, we'll go back to the 1996 internet with far fewer ads. I note HN seems to be doing just fine without them.

HN is a YC marketing tool, it pays for itself quite easily.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by dredmorbius »

rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

Publishing's seen many business models over the years. Information is hard, for a number of reasons, and advertising has been utilized for mass-media for much of the past century (longer in print).

There's a lot wrong with ads: http://redd.it/24107v

I should add to that list "weaponized clickbait". Advertising directly promotes noxious content anti-patterns: http://redd.it/23twec

One alternative is syndication via a broadband / media tax: http://redd.it/1uotb3

Phil Hunt (Pirate Party UK) has a similar proposal: http://redd.it/1vknhc

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by Schlaefer »

dredmorbius wrote: post #109
joosters wrote: post #91

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Banksy says it best: People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticat…

Nice. Just sourcing that: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/461383-people-are-taking-the...

But how does it apply? A website is hardly a "public space".

This quote makes no sense in the virtual world where everyone can build his own planet without ads if he wants to. Space is not limited here.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by tim333 »

igravious wrote: post #87
Kabacaru wrote: post #80

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I think Flattr is probably what you're describing ( https://flattr.com/ ) Description: Whenever you read, watch and listen to content you want to support, you simply flattr it. Remember that you can flattr as many times you want during a month, as you never will exceed your chosen budget. At the end of each month, we divide your budget into as many pieces as you made flattrs. For example 25 flattrs will divide your b…

You know that moment when internally you're smacking your forehead and making an O shape with your mouth. Now how come I didn't think of that idea? So simple. I hope it takes off. I _hate_ ads, I hate them online, I hate them offline. I think they're a form of pollution. I'm with Bill Hicks on this one, people who work in advertising or marketing trying to figure out how to get people to buy crap they don't want need…

Just watched Hicks. I think the problem with ads is the process is corrupted rather than that it exists at all. You have a great business with great service but no one knows about it, it makes things better to let people know. The trouble is the ad space goes to those who pay most who tend to be those who overcharge for crappy stuff. Not sure what the solution to that is.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by moron4hire »

rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

    "...if every web browser starts using less memory, everyone is worse off."
I think you're over applying the concept. That can't possibly be true.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by tim333 »

visarga wrote: post #112
rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

> Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms It's either clean internet or no internet for me - I can't stand the ads.

In game theory terms the other mugs pay. Works for me.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by dredmorbius »

shanelja wrote: post #17
jacobolus wrote: post #12

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Once you get past about 30 tabs, Chrome performance drops through the floor while memory usage just balloons; by contrast, both Firefox and Safari hold up pretty well. That, plus sending every keystroke in the URL bar to Google, and a bunch of really quirky UIs that I deeply dislike, keeps me from using Chrome for anything but testing. Edit: This seems to be a controversial comment. I’m curious whether folks disagree…

I don't think I've ever had the need for 30 tabs; the magic of the internet is that if I ever need to see a specific website, I can just type in a URL.

Telling the user "you're doing it wrong" (especially for a very common use case/mode) is the wrong answer.

Mind, I've reached the conclusion that tabs are also the wrong answer, though I haven't sorted out quite what the right one is. Tab Outliner for Chrome (discussed on the following link) helps, but it's still not what I'm looking for, too manual. http://redd.it/256lxu

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