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Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by nkvoll »

idlewan wrote: post #52
zorbo wrote: post #30

HTTPSB just isn't userfriendly enough for me. I run Adblock (not plus though) + Ghostery, and perhaps they use more memory and CPU, but if they do I've never noticed nor cared about it. Their userfriendliness is amazing though. HTTPSB randomly cripples sites, much like NoScript, and I really can't be bothered to deal with that anymore. With Adblock + Ghostery I feel completely in control. If I want to enable the Disq…

You can allow everything by default too with HTTPSB (it still will use blocklists and protect you), so that you won't have to enable stuff for a website to work.

I've been clicking around its user interface for a few minutes now, but I can't figure out how to do this..

Is it adding "whitelist *" somewhere or something similar?

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#82

Post by zorbo »

mkesper wrote: post #16
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #2

Adblock+ has been fine for me. Has anyone had any problems? Personally, Adblock+ has earned my trust over a long period of time, so it's hard to see myself switching to something else unless the reason was dire.

Trusting Adblock is hard because of the "acceptable ads" feature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adblock_Plus#Controversy_over_...

As far as I know (anybody please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this), it's Adblock PLUS that can't be trusted. Adblock (without the plus) is a completely separate project that's much more trustworthy. Adblock PLUS basically usurped Adblock by appending a "plus", making it seem like it's somehow better than Adblock.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#83

Post by DanielBMarkham »

rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

Ads pay for things simply because that was the first model that caught on.

Ad-supported content is not the only business model. Simply because one bunch figured out how to make the internet pay doesn't mean the problem must be solved in one and only one way from here on out.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#84

Post by bgarbiak »

rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

I've disabled AdBlock after recent "revelations" about its memory consumption. I use only Ghostery for now. So, websites/advertisers are free to show me ads, as long as they won't track me. Guess how many ads I see.

That should be a solution: serve me a static, non-intrusive, lightweight, curated ad related to your content (not to my browsing history), serve me it from your server, not from some third-party ad farm - then I will gladly see it. Furthermore, it will work even if I won't click it.

This model worked for paper magazines/newspapers, and I have no clue why it shouldn't work in a digital era. At least as a damn fallback.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#85

Post by nkvoll »

nkvoll wrote: post #81
idlewan wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can allow everything by default too with HTTPSB (it still will use blocklists and protect you), so that you won't have to enable stuff for a website to work.

I've been clicking around its user interface for a few minutes now, but I can't figure out how to do this.. Is it adding "whitelist *" somewhere or something similar?

Seems like it was the power-button looking icon found in the upper left part of the extension dropdown menu when on an actual page.

I expected this to be a part of the extension settings / options, but ah well.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#87

Post by igravious »

Kabacaru wrote: post #80
Dewie wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like an opt-in "subscription service". I pay x$ per month and a program automatically divides that and donates to the various sites that I've used. There would also be some way to customize it to make sure that certain sites gets more money, and others less. In turn, maybe the websites register my donations via cookies and then cools down on the ads.

I think Flattr is probably what you're describing ( https://flattr.com/ ) Description: Whenever you read, watch and listen to content you want to support, you simply flattr it. Remember that you can flattr as many times you want during a month, as you never will exceed your chosen budget. At the end of each month, we divide your budget into as many pieces as you made flattrs. For example 25 flattrs will divide your b…

You know that moment when internally you're smacking your forehead and making an O shape with your mouth. Now how come I didn't think of that idea? So simple. I hope it takes off.

I _hate_ ads, I hate them online, I hate them offline. I think they're a form of pollution. I'm with Bill Hicks on this one, people who work in advertising or marketing trying to figure out how to get people to buy crap they don't want need to take a serious look at themselves ( except Bill was a bit more blunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo )

I often wonder if maybe some city somewhere will issue a blanket ban on advertising in public spaces to enhance the city-scape and draw in tourists. I know I'd visit. How wonderful to be able to look around and not have some corporation hijack your view and try to sell you something.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#88

Post by zimpenfish »

igravious wrote: post #87
Kabacaru wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Flattr is probably what you're describing ( https://flattr.com/ ) Description: Whenever you read, watch and listen to content you want to support, you simply flattr it. Remember that you can flattr as many times you want during a month, as you never will exceed your chosen budget. At the end of each month, we divide your budget into as many pieces as you made flattrs. For example 25 flattrs will divide your b…

You know that moment when internally you're smacking your forehead and making an O shape with your mouth. Now how come I didn't think of that idea? So simple. I hope it takes off. I _hate_ ads, I hate them online, I hate them offline. I think they're a form of pollution. I'm with Bill Hicks on this one, people who work in advertising or marketing trying to figure out how to get people to buy crap they don't want need…

Your wish is Sao Paulo's command. Removed adverts in 2006, seems to be still going in 2013. I wish London would do this...

http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/07/sao-paulo-city-with-no-...

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#89

Post by izzydata »

rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

I hate ads so I'm going to block them. You can't just shove things in my face that I can so easily decline and except that to be a good business model. I fully encourage the death of the ad based business model for web content. If that means I would eventually have to pay for things I actually want then that makes way more sense to me. Honestly though a website shouldn't expect to make money for simply existing and getting views. They should have something people actually want and are willing to buy.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

#90

Post by sabret00the »

zorbo wrote: post #30

HTTPSB just isn't userfriendly enough for me. I run Adblock (not plus though) + Ghostery, and perhaps they use more memory and CPU, but if they do I've never noticed nor cared about it. Their userfriendliness is amazing though. HTTPSB randomly cripples sites, much like NoScript, and I really can't be bothered to deal with that anymore. With Adblock + Ghostery I feel completely in control. If I want to enable the Disq…

Sorry to be slightly off-topic, but since you mention NoScript and are familiar with that, this (HTTPSB) and ABP, can I ask. Is HTTPSB more of a NoScript alternative or an ABP alternative?
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