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Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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Games aren't some fungible commodity you can shop around for. If you want to play that game, what else can you do?

A single game isn't a commodity, but entertainment is. There is an almost unlimited amount of entertainment available for only a handful of dollars.

Games are art. If you don't like the policies of the Louvre, do you go to the Musee d'Orsay instead and have the same experience? Not if you know anything about art.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #90

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I think the important point missing from that is that Challenges was a free multiplayer add-on given to the owners of the base game. That really changes the nature of them removing the game from user libraries from they removed software that users paid for to they removed a free program that's useless now.

You're still missing the point that Steam is "reaching into people's systems" and removing programs. That said, it's done all the time via apt-get or windows update or other program updates. People think that this rises to a new level though, and given the fact that Steam users are younger, tech-saavy, and more vocal it's no wonder that it's raising a stink.

Is it? In Steam, one's "Library" is the list of games you have access to, including games that aren't installed on the system. Has anyone had the game silently uninstalled if they already had it on their system? If the listing is removed even if the game is installed, can the game be launched by running the executable directly?

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #79
post #78

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Don't you need some kind of a cracked version of the game for that? I don't know if you can play on private servers with a Steam version of a game anyway.

It probably depends on the game and how they store server information. For instance, if they hostname for the server that broadcasts available game servers is sitting in a .ini file, you don't need a crack. If it was a hardcoded string in the binary, then you would. Of course some games may also employ other mechanisms to restrict what/where you can connect to, but in a lot of cases I've seen it is a matter of pointi…

And where do you get the software that runs on the servers?

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #86

Another disaster about to happen is Games for Windows Live, a online DRM scheme, used by many games, but in particular GTA IV, which doesn't have much on online features except for the DRM check. It has been announted that GFWL is going to shutdown July 1st. Many developers/publishers have indicated that they are going to remove/replace it, but Rockstar not only hasn't mentioned anything in that sense, it has recentl…

I think if they're going to argue that routine gameplay is a special feature, they're going to be on a loser when the courts and/or trading standards people get hold of them. At least in the UK, that term seems to be clearly unfair and therefore unlikely to stand up if customers start demanding compensation.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #18

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Why can't people expect a refund? Why is that a ridiculous expectation?

Because it's in the contract that you agreed to upon purchasing. The only thing you can do is no longer agree to those types of contracts.

That contract doesn't have legal weight in many jurisdictions.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #18

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Why can't people expect a refund? Why is that a ridiculous expectation?

Because it's in the contract that you agreed to upon purchasing. The only thing you can do is no longer agree to those types of contracts.

Every consumer protection law in existence just called and asked for their money back. Those laws exist precisely to unambiguously defeat the kind of argument you're making.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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LOL... steam and all their holier than thou blog posts about being open and better than Microsoft - That was never anything more than a rant about the Windows 8 built in app market that they were afraid would undercut their profits and dominance (a scheme against competition). They are neither open nor respect rights of ownership. AFAIK, Microsoft themselves have never forcefully removed an app from Windows in this m…

Microsoft certainly did remove apps from Windows even after they are purchased. They had Crackdown on WP7 as a tower defense game. They shut down the servers and the game disappeared, never to be seen again. Really pissed me off. They also refused to update their Texas Hold'em game, so when I moved to WP8, the game I had purchased disappeared.

FYI, When someone says "Windows" they generally are talking about a PC desktop. Not a phone version.

I am guessing that you probably already know this, but want to push any angle for a rebuttal.

I am referring to Windows 8 specifically (yes the PC version) because this is the version that Steam was vying as evil.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #73

The article claims incorrectly that the game had 18 single-player missions. The FAQ linked from the article is for the game "Order of War". "Order of War: Challenge" is a completely separate, multi-player-only game that had its servers shut down and was removed from Steam. The original "Order of War" is still available ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/34600/ ). In addition, the "Challenge" add-on was given free to…

It is a non issue for Steam, as such they have no ground to remove the game from users library.

I just checked and steam lets me re-install it if I want to.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #113
post #79

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It probably depends on the game and how they store server information. For instance, if they hostname for the server that broadcasts available game servers is sitting in a .ini file, you don't need a crack. If it was a hardcoded string in the binary, then you would. Of course some games may also employ other mechanisms to restrict what/where you can connect to, but in a lot of cases I've seen it is a matter of pointi…

And where do you get the software that runs on the servers?

Most server software is emulated but I suspect there might be instances of leaked server software.

Re: Steam Removes Game 'Order Of War: Challenge' From User Libraries

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post #18

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The main appeal of the game was apparently the multi-player, which isn't going to be that great if nobody bought the thing. You can't expect a refund for this type of purchase from either Steam or the studio that developed it, that is ridiculous. They shouldn't have removed it from people's libraries though, and the developer should have released one last patch that disabled the DRM and let you run your own server.

Why can't people expect a refund? Why is that a ridiculous expectation?

Would you expect a refund for the cost of WoW when they shut down their servers in 2032? Of course not. It was an online game. You played it for years, and it's now over. You don't get take-backs.
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