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Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by davidw »

incision wrote: post #106
ggreer wrote: post #50

I use Sublime Text every day. I love it. I paid for it. I even develop plugins for it.[1] But I don't recommend it to peers. Why? Because Sublime Text has a low bus factor.[2] 6 years ago, I bought TextMate. Like Sublime Text, I enjoyed using it. Sadly, TextMate became abandonware. The sole developer suffered burnout. Bugs were never fixed. Promised features never showed up. Users wanted to fix these issues themselve…

Out of curiosity, are there any notable examples of products/projects which have failed upon having their bus factor checked? Off the top of my head, I was thinking ReiserFS [0] which seemed lose ground quickly after Reiser's murder charge and subsequent conviction [1]. 0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReiserFS 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Trial_and_verdict

Tcl seemed to have a lot of the wind taken out of its sails when Ousterhout moved on. The language was - and is - still developed by very competent people, but it seemed to suffer some from the lack of a visible leader.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by kule »

zeckalpha wrote: post #98
ggreer wrote: post #50

I use Sublime Text every day. I love it. I paid for it. I even develop plugins for it.[1] But I don't recommend it to peers. Why? Because Sublime Text has a low bus factor.[2] 6 years ago, I bought TextMate. Like Sublime Text, I enjoyed using it. Sadly, TextMate became abandonware. The sole developer suffered burnout. Bugs were never fixed. Promised features never showed up. Users wanted to fix these issues themselve…

On the other hand, TextMate 2 is under active development: https://github.com/textmate/textmate/commits/master

I keep trying the alpha every now and again but there's some little annoyances that to me make it a step backwards in usability from TextMate 1, let alone Sublime Text. e.g.

* Double clicking a directory will make that directory the top level directory in the project side bar.

* Having to double-click to open a file; you can single click but only if you click the small file icon instead.

* Silly fading animation whenever you open a file.

I know most of the time I use the file search anyways but those first impressions really put me off using it.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by capex »

> Build 3047 is the fastest, most stable, most polished version of Sublime Text yet.

The sentence loses its meaning because its so often spoken following Apple's marketing speak.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by Derbasti »

nobleach wrote: post #86
ggreer wrote: post #50

I use Sublime Text every day. I love it. I paid for it. I even develop plugins for it.[1] But I don't recommend it to peers. Why? Because Sublime Text has a low bus factor.[2] 6 years ago, I bought TextMate. Like Sublime Text, I enjoyed using it. Sadly, TextMate became abandonware. The sole developer suffered burnout. Bugs were never fixed. Promised features never showed up. Users wanted to fix these issues themselve…

A couple of things come to mind. 1. Sublime Text 2 (and also Textmate 1.5) are STILL good editors. And they will continue to be good editors for the foreseeable future. Just like Vim and Emacs. You don't need a newer version every year. Even though Vim and Emacs DO release newer versions, I have no idea what is in the new releases. Why? Because Emacs 22 and Vim 6.3 do well enough. Textmate 1.5 does well enough. Subli…

Actually, Emacs 24 was quite an important release that improved many things. For example, it introduced an integrated package control and lexical binding.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by leeoniya »

the main reason i am not buying or using it is because he doesn't work off the Userecho page he set up, which in my opinion should be his priority. He adds stuff that he feels is good, but ignores real user's needs. http://sublimetext.userecho.com/

all the feature requests are simply mothballed for years, including some that are showstoppers for me.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by maxhowell »

zeckalpha wrote: post #98
ggreer wrote: post #50

I use Sublime Text every day. I love it. I paid for it. I even develop plugins for it.[1] But I don't recommend it to peers. Why? Because Sublime Text has a low bus factor.[2] 6 years ago, I bought TextMate. Like Sublime Text, I enjoyed using it. Sadly, TextMate became abandonware. The sole developer suffered burnout. Bugs were never fixed. Promised features never showed up. Users wanted to fix these issues themselve…

On the other hand, TextMate 2 is under active development: https://github.com/textmate/textmate/commits/master

And it's fabulous, I switched from Sublime Text 2 last week and have no interest in Sublime Text 3 anymore. I was disturbed that Sublime Text 2 had several irritating bugs that I encountered most days and yet all dev was going into the next version that would require a new license. Also I am a sucker for OS X native feel and ST2 clearly had effort put in there, but still fell short.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by microtonal »

w1ntermute wrote: post #3
robinduckett wrote: post #2

Awesome. I almost considered buying it. Almost.

I still can't find a good reason to switch from Vim.

I agree. I do have a Sublime Text 2 license, but I miss modeful editing, ex, etc. I had used vintage mode for a while, but as usual with such emulations, you quickly run into annoyances.

The only thing that I found really attractive in Sublime Text 2 is Goto Anything. ctrlp.vim brings some of its advantages to vim.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by tambourine_man »

nobleach wrote: post #86
ggreer wrote: post #50

I use Sublime Text every day. I love it. I paid for it. I even develop plugins for it.[1] But I don't recommend it to peers. Why? Because Sublime Text has a low bus factor.[2] 6 years ago, I bought TextMate. Like Sublime Text, I enjoyed using it. Sadly, TextMate became abandonware. The sole developer suffered burnout. Bugs were never fixed. Promised features never showed up. Users wanted to fix these issues themselve…

A couple of things come to mind. 1. Sublime Text 2 (and also Textmate 1.5) are STILL good editors. And they will continue to be good editors for the foreseeable future. Just like Vim and Emacs. You don't need a newer version every year. Even though Vim and Emacs DO release newer versions, I have no idea what is in the new releases. Why? Because Emacs 22 and Vim 6.3 do well enough. Textmate 1.5 does well enough. Subli…

You seem to think we've reached the pinnacle of what code editors can do. I don't think we have, at all.

Imagine APIs that let your editor of choice deeply integrate with LLVM or Web Inspector. We're getting there, but we still have a long way to go.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by tambourine_man »

ggreer wrote: post #50

I use Sublime Text every day. I love it. I paid for it. I even develop plugins for it.[1] But I don't recommend it to peers. Why? Because Sublime Text has a low bus factor.[2] 6 years ago, I bought TextMate. Like Sublime Text, I enjoyed using it. Sadly, TextMate became abandonware. The sole developer suffered burnout. Bugs were never fixed. Promised features never showed up. Users wanted to fix these issues themselve…

Precisely. I salivate for Sublime Text, but I restrain myself from even trying because of that. Vim is very powerful and will probably run on my contact lens in 10 years.

I've been married to Photoshop for almost 20 years (which already ties me to either OS X or Windows) and our relationship has recently gone sour financially. Open Source gives you a peace of mind that's very reassuring when it's your daily, almost irreplaceable tool.

Your suggestion is good, I think we haven't yet reached the sweet spot between user freedom and developer paycheck.

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