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Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by robinduckett »

melling wrote: post #17
robinduckett wrote: post #2

Awesome. I almost considered buying it. Almost.

I bought it even though emacs is still my primary editor. $70 is a drop in the bucket. I keep all of my notes open in a couple different screens (grouped by project). It's really quick to navigate to buffers (Cmd-t) and search all buffers. I'm finally learning a little Python because that's how plugins are written. Sublime has pretty smart completion too. Anyone have an org mode? I'd at least like to make urls clicka…

The biggest bug for me is that it's $70 - Although I'm a professional developer, I'm still fairly underpaid (I don't live in London, San Fran, NY, etc.) and thus it's out of my price range when I can barely afford travel, rent and food.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

#42

Post by siddboots »

shawabawa3 wrote: post #32
siddboots wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the same. Is it ridiculous that I bought ST just because I wanted a new toy to play with, knowing that I wouldn't switch from vim?

Yes, considering it has one of the least annoying trial versions ever (I believe it pops up a message every 50? or so saves, and otherwise is exactly like the paid version)

I gave them my money because I like what they are doing, not because I found their message annoying.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by nkozyra »

unicornporn wrote: post #13

First "Core feature" for version 3: Speed. I can't recall that I have ever felt that a text editor was "slow".

I don't run many plugins with ST2, so I haven't noticed much issue.

That said, I feel odd about this being a primary upgrade point. Speed improvements to me indicate that there were speed issues (confirmed by others here). I read that as "bug," not "feature request." It almost feels like you're going to be paying $15/$30 for a patch in this instance.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by edsilva »

workhere-io wrote: post #34
unicornporn wrote: post #13

First "Core feature" for version 3: Speed. I can't recall that I have ever felt that a text editor was "slow".

Then you haven't tried jEdit :)

jEdit was basically my first introduction to powerful text editors while learning programming and Lilypond. It had some nice plugins/macros for text processing. But, yeah, it was so slow that eventually I moved to Notepad++ for basic text viewing/editing. Recently I decided to give ST2 a try and am very pleased with its speed and features. Right now I'm trying unlearn a few Notepad++ shortcuts that I occasionally misapply to ST2. Having jEdit load on startup helps a bit with the slowness.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

#46

Post by adamors »

jeremyaarts wrote: post #5

I have been using version 3 for a couple months now and I must say, this thing is fast. Starts in less than half a second and the 'Goto Symbol in Project' is an amazing new feature which I now use frequently. Window layout management has also been greatly improved. For me, at the moment this is the best code editor out there. edit: typo

How does the Goto Symbol in Project compare with the Ctags plugin?

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

#47

Post by gitaarik »

davidw wrote: post #29
glimcat wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a developer tool. I bill more than that per hour. Lots of people bill more than that per hour. If it saves you time or stress, it's easily worth $70.

The potential problem is not so much the price, which is as you say very reasonable, but getting locked into a proprietary product that you are then attached to. What if they stop developing it? What if they take it in a direction you don't want? What if they move to a higher and higher price? All things to consider. As for me, you can pry my Emacs from my cold, dead fingers.

Also my main objection to Sublime. It's such a waste to make such a nice text editor and then make it proprietary.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

#48

Post by Kurtz79 »

robinduckett wrote: post #41
melling wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought it even though emacs is still my primary editor. $70 is a drop in the bucket. I keep all of my notes open in a couple different screens (grouped by project). It's really quick to navigate to buffers (Cmd-t) and search all buffers. I'm finally learning a little Python because that's how plugins are written. Sublime has pretty smart completion too. Anyone have an org mode? I'd at least like to make urls clicka…

The biggest bug for me is that it's $70 - Although I'm a professional developer, I'm still fairly underpaid (I don't live in London, San Fran, NY, etc.) and thus it's out of my price range when I can barely afford travel, rent and food.

I use vim and reasonably happy with it, but honestly 70$ is little more than a new console game, or a dinner for two in a decent restaurant... we are not really talking about a license for Photoshop or professional CAD software.

If you are a professional developer living in a reasonably modern country and cannot afford 70$ for what is supposed to be to be your primary tool, then you are not underpaid, you are being scammed.

That the features it offers are not worth 70$ compared to free editors is another matter entirely, and a purely personal matter.

Re: Sublime Text 3 Public Beta

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Post by ggreer »

I use Sublime Text every day. I love it. I paid for it. I even develop plugins for it.[1] But I don't recommend it to peers. Why? Because Sublime Text has a low bus factor.[2]

6 years ago, I bought TextMate. Like Sublime Text, I enjoyed using it. Sadly, TextMate became abandonware. The sole developer suffered burnout. Bugs were never fixed. Promised features never showed up. Users wanted to fix these issues themselves. They begged the developer to release the source code, but it never happened. TM 2.0 was open-sourced, but TM 1.5 remains proprietary.

Developers marry their editors. They spend years learning every aspect of them. They customize their configuration. They install and develop plugins and extensions. If an editor becomes abandonware, the users of that editor have wasted an immense amount of time. All of their knowledge and work surrounding their editor becomes useless. They're forced to start over with something else.

All that said, I would recommend Sublime Text to others if the developer made an anti-abandonware pledge. The pledge would be to release the source code if no new version had been released in more than a year. I realize he has to make a living. Heck, I don't mind if he gets filthy rich from selling Sublime Text. I'm simply worried that despite his good intentions, he'll end up hurting his users in the long run. With an anti-abandonware pledge, users would be able to avoid the fate of TextMate users.

1. https://github.com/Floobits/floobits-sublime

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor

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