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Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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Post by anigbrowl »

Aloisius wrote: post #105
danbruc wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

»We all have choices and free will [...]« is debatable. There are probably better times to do this but it is definitely debatable.

Isn't free will he flip side to determinism? I am able to generate truly random numbers which are completely non-deterministic by any number of methods (deck of cards, pick a number 0|1 over and over, muscle twitches, etc). Doesn't that imply that I have, at some basic level, free will?

It could just as easily imply that your decisions are essentially random noise, which we seek to rationalize afterwards.

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Post by whyenot »

rdouble wrote: post #106
frisco wrote: post #104

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> The word is they are throwing out Miranda for this What does this mean?

There is a recent tweet claiming a "public safety exemption" will be used to bypass Miranda rights. That said, I'm not sure exactly what that means, either. https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524

Then educate yourself. It's just a google search away.

Wikipedia: There is also a "public safety" exception to the requirement that Miranda warnings be given before questioning: for example, if the defendant is in possession of information regarding the location of an unattended gun or there are other similar exigent circumstances which require protection of the public, the defendant may be questioned without warning and his responses, though incriminating, will be admissible in evidence.

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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Post by rdouble »

whyenot wrote: post #112
rdouble wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a recent tweet claiming a "public safety exemption" will be used to bypass Miranda rights. That said, I'm not sure exactly what that means, either. https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524

Then educate yourself. It's just a google search away. Wikipedia: There is also a "public safety" exception to the requirement that Miranda warnings be given before questioning: for example, if the defendant is in possession of information regarding the location of an unattended gun or there are other similar exigent circumstances which require protection of the public, the defendant may be questioned without warning…

Thanks. Good tip regarding this "google" site. Wikipedia looks pretty interesting, too.

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Post by endianswap »

signed0 wrote: post #26

Now that the full audio[1] transcript of the police scanner is available, I'd be interested in whether police ever actually mentioned the the two other individuals that everyone seemed to think had done it. [1] https://soundcloud.com/producermatthew/scanner-audio-from-wa...

They did indeed mention the uh Mulugato guy (however it was spelled, I'm going from memory.) I was listening to it live last night, but what is unclear is why they were saying/spelling his name. They never said he was connected to this, they just mentioned his name/spelling on the same radio as the Boston Bombing investigation. Probably around 2:30AM EST if I had to guess (I heard it live.)

Edit: Mulugeta, I guess, is how you spell it. I certainly didn't hear a first name, though, when I was listening, just the last name plus spelling of it.

Re: Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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Post by [deleted] »

rdouble wrote: post #113
whyenot wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then educate yourself. It's just a google search away. Wikipedia: There is also a "public safety" exception to the requirement that Miranda warnings be given before questioning: for example, if the defendant is in possession of information regarding the location of an unattended gun or there are other similar exigent circumstances which require protection of the public, the defendant may be questioned without warning…

Thanks. Good tip regarding this "google" site. Wikipedia looks pretty interesting, too.

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Post by kanda »

incision wrote: post #92
nostromo wrote: post #80

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I interpret that quote differently than you. To me he's saying not that we won't learn anything from evildoers, but that it's important that we really try. And I think that's exactly right. The younger suspect seems by all accounts to be a smart young man. It's important that we try to understand what drove him to do something so terrible, even as we denounce it.

> To me he's saying not that we won't learn anything from evildoers, but that it's important that we really try. I read it the same way. Though, I don't think it's about literally learning from any individual, but to attempt to understand the underlying mechanisms.

No offence, but this was islamic terror, read thenews. What explanation do you expect to find ? That there are muslims in America that try to teach every kid they can get their hands on to massacre their neighbors for not being muslims ?

Because if history is any guide, that's all you'll find.

Oh and it's the same story Russians (google "Beslan" and see how lucky the US has been so far), Britons, Spaniards, Chinese, Taiwanese, Philipinos, ... encounter. Which makes it very hard to believe those few extremely weak explanations like "it's the Iraq/Afghanistan war" that are given.

Sorry to state the obvious. Someone has to.

Let me just say : this is very likely to intensify from this point on. The attacks I mean. Why don't we just start the "but drone strikes justify random attacks on civilians" thread ? We all know it's coming. Don't expect me to post anything though.

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Post by ghc »

geuis wrote: post #18
ghc wrote: post #12

For me this will be the enduring image of the manhunt: http://i.imgur.com/lV7CMQA.jpg Even if there's a manhunt, shelter in place order, and an officer with an assault rifle on every corner, life will go on.

I don't understand what this is an image of. The quality is very poor, is this because its a crop of a much larger image?

It's actually poor quality because it's at max zoom on a Galaxy Nexus. It was an Italian wedding party with raucous singing by the men and I wanted to stay a respectful distance. This happened at about 5PM as I went in search of someplace open where I could get something to eat.

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Post by herval »

OGinparadise wrote: post #101
simonsarris wrote: post #45

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him." -Dostoevsky On twitter a lot of people are essentially saying "Good, now we'll get answers. " I'm sorry to say I don't believe there is typically anything satisfying about the answers of people who become deranged. Maybe this time, but if reading about madmen past is any guide, its very unlikely that we will be enligh…

On twitter a lot of people are essentially saying "Good, now we'll get answers." I'm sorry to say I don't believe there is typically anything satisfying about the answers of people who become deranged. Maybe this time, but if reading about madmen past is any guide, its very unlikely that we will be enlightened by any testimony. Answer is really simple: in his own world /subculture he is a hero, a martyr and his name…

Or maybe it's the OTHER simple and cultural answer: they were seen as "losers", then lost it and decided to kill random people. Pretty much like Columbine and all the other "seemingly normal kid kills random people with guns" incidents that keep happening, again and again. It doesn't matter, though - at this point, it's all just random speculation.

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Post by cynwoody »

cema wrote: post #39
caf wrote: post #19

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I wonder how they'll find a jury that doesn't already think he's guilty.

Well, look at the currently top comment ( http://tf-575.com/images/renders/ ), they are victims, see... A jury is possible, yes.

LOL! Sometimes it's wise not to assume we know what's on the clipboard. That link is to a pile of computer-rendered lesbian porn images!
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